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welcome to somewhere in the skies I'm

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your host Ryan Sprague after reading the

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work of today's guests there was in my

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opinion a deep connection of the

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symbolic and literal between owls and

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UFOs and individuals who've experienced

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both there's a strangeness to these

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accounts that devise any simple

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explanation in his work the author I'll

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be talking to you today brings forward

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personal stories from people around the

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world where these mysterious experiences

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are explored in depth the ancient

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mythology of the owl is repeating itself

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within the modern UFO report and I am

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personally sold primarily by the sheer

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amount of reports what plays out is a

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journey of transformation with an owl at

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the heart of each story today I'm

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talking to my client about his latest

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companion book all about these

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connections and the incredible things

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that happen when the owl and the UFO

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converge into an exploration of reality

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itself and beyond this is stories from

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the messengers accounts of owls UFOs and

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a deeper reality now let's talk to Mike

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like thank you so much for joining me

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again today on somewhere this guy's you

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and my first repeat guest my friend

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first no way yeah can you believe it no

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way you must've had someone else not yet

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if you can believe that I've been able

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to get that many guests to talk about

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UFOs without repeating I'll repeat

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myself you know it'll be a big deja vu a

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little bit I think when you people

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listen to this I think so well I heard

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the first one right right well it was

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one of my most downloaded episodes for

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sure so I um yeah man so I'm currently

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making my way through your new book Mike

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stories from the messengers accounts of

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owls UFOs in a deeper reality which is a

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companion to your massive undertaking of

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the first book the messengers so before

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we dig into the book I would love to

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know what was your motivation what to

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write the companion after the first book

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it clocked in at over 400 pages my god

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man to even continue after that I can't

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imagine so what was that light well

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actually a clocked in it I think two

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pages under 400 pages I think it's it's

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it's 398 pages or something like that so

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I guess I say 400 pages i ml I think I'm

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allowed to like round up a little bit

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but um when I wrote the first one I was

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beholden to to edit things down to boil

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everything down because I was the points

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were these I mean I was trying to make

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how to say this I mean I felt like I was

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going out on a limb I was I was

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presenting this idea that owls and UFOs

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are somehow connected and not only they

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are connected on one level they're

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connected on this other level in this

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other way in this third way there's like

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this this shocking volume of stuff where

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owls and UFOs are somehow Co joined and

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to make that point to a fault perhaps I

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I put a guy crammed a lot of stories in

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there and I had to boil those stories

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down so what would happen I know you

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know just what I'm talking about

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you talked to so you've talked to

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someone on the phone right who's had

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these experiences and the conversation

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lasts an hour and then it goes into two

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hours and it gets to about six hours and

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then you call back and do that

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again a few days later and so you give

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and what I ended up you know this

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amazing powerful stories that are so

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inner woven with synchronicities and

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strange experiences like seeing the UFO

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is often the least of it you know

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there's all this other stuff you know I

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was fascinated I listened attentively to

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all these accounts in these this novel

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needed to be written about nearly every

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person that shared a story in the first

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book and I just it broke my heart to

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edit this stuff down just a snip snip

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snip and boil it down to just the bare

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bugged me and it haunted me and I was

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like I don't like gotta tell these

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stories more completely so even before

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the first book was done I knew I was

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going to do the second book in the

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footnotes it even says things like you

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know this story will be further explored

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messengers and it felt good too I

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basically wanted to cram every possible

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curious thing there are to tell these

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stories completely obviously I still had

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to edit out you know the these things

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but I wanted to tell one story as

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completely and thoroughly as possible

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and I guess I did that 19 times because

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there's 19 chapters in the book so yeah

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exactly and I know I know that feeling

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all too well Mike of you know these

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people they spilled their their souls to

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you when they come out with these things

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and you know sometimes it only takes

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that one person to listen and then to

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have to go and like you said sort of

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snip and mold and make it as you know as

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neat as you can is it's hard because we

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both know that these stories are not

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nate mess you can't tie them up in a bow

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yeah exactly they're very rarely in any

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chronological order and it's chaos it

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can be chaos in you know I I would

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imagine that would be a huge challenge

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so I'm so happy that even before you

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know the first book came out that you

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were you knew that this was the road

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you're going to take that these stories

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definitely had to be explored further

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the original book in your introduction

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to to this one you give us a sort of a

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four-point overview of kind of what was

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covered in the first book of you know

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the owl as alarm clocks archetypes

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initiation and

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totem something which which I've always

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loved because it kind of gives you an

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idea of where we're heading and what the

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owl might mean in terms of what we're

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about to hear throughout the book and I

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think that's very important to consider

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when you're weaving through these

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experiences so I would love could you

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possibly run us through those those four

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things that I mentioned what these

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things are in terms of the owl so that

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we sort of get a an idea of where we're

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headed with this conversation so that's

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this is what happened I people would say

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wait a minute what are you talking about

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wiles why owls and they would ask me

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that and I would correctly reply you

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know I have no idea why owls it's that's

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the mystery and that didn't really fly

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so I realized I had to formalize my

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thoughts a little bit and it took two

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books to formalize my thoughts to this

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degree so I came up with four points

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these are all blurry

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there that I can't I'm not locked into

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anything and these are as open-ended as

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owls are alarm clocks they the simplest

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answer to why owls is they are here to

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wake us up and then then you immediately

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have to ask you know well wake us up to

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what in and then you're back straight to

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like I don't know the mystery you know

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so what yeah what are they waking us up

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owls UFOs into deeper realities so like

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interacting with UFOs and I would also

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say interacting with owls I've had a lot

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of people tell me all stories that are

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profoundly powerful and have changed

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their lives and it wakes them up to a

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deeper reality so yes so alarm clock

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wakes you up to a deeper reality maybe

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that's that's tidy it's simply I can

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feel like I can wrap my mind around that

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owls are an archetype that would be

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number two in archetype is one of those

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words that you know you can I'm sure

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like you sit around in the dormitory at

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the philosophy department of some Ivy

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all night and try to define what

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archetype really means and you're just

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within our shared memory bank our

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genetic memory bank is this stored

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meaning the meaning of the owl isn't in

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a book it's in our stored memory bank it

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means something deeper Luke Skywalker he

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means something more than just a just a

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guy who flies around and it is his star

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the hero right so the owl is an

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archetype for this deeper reality and we

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think in terms of symbols right so even

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earliest drawings in the world known to

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man the earliest drawings known to man

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are of owls and so it's there it's part

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of us it's part of our genetic makeup

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the question again what is the

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archetypal meaning I don't know it's

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it's linked to this deeper reality the

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third thing would be the owls are here

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to announce initiation initiation into

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something right so the the initiate like

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in a in a ritual in a ceremony there's

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the beginning of the ceremony the

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initiate is going to take on a new role

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at the end of the ceremony I mean that

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might be joining the Cub Scouts it might

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be you know your First Holy Communion it

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might be taking ayahuasca in the jungle

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you know so there is a ceremony and

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initiate is is then ushered in to a new

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realm now a religious scholar would

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would say that the initiate you know the

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initiation rites are completely

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metaphoric and the profound change is

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just a symbolic right but the true

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believer would say no no the in the

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change would be entirely real so once

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again an initiation into what so I mean

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season owl owl flies off and then they

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see a you know flying saucer land nearby

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like it's it's endless the number of

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stories I have like that so the owl is

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there to announce initiation the UFO

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landing is an initiative ritual it is a

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right I'm going out on a limb there and

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I'm being purposely provocative saying

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it so forcefully but that's my sense

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after after doing all this then the

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question again an initiation into what I

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don't have an answer a bigger umbrella

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idea would be the the Owls are a totem

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of the transformational experience right

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so seeing a UFO can transform someone

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you see a UFO everything you thought

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about reality goes out the window

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yeah right there's a new paradigm you

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are thrust it is thrust upon you you are

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every you know the New York

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we are expected to like live by that

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dog-musher they show up in fiction they

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show up in fantasy but that's but we are

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told that UFOs are not real by by the by

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the gatekeepers of our consensus reality

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as soon as you see one all that crumbles

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and you are forced to rebuild your own

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self so you have a transformation now

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there's it like other there's other

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transformational things you know um

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death I'll show up around death that's

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the ultimate transformation we humans

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and as I said before I have spoken to

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people who have had all sightings that

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are so profound that they have changed

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their lives

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so again if it's a transformational

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experience if the owl is the totem of

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the transformational experience a

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transformation into what so also one two

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three four all of them get asked the all

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you have to answer ask a question at the

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end of each of them and everything is

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open-ended so what I'm saying is that I

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wish I wish I wish I could latch onto

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something I've given up trying to find

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that elusive answer like I've just like

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I know I ain't gonna find it and I'm not

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stressing over it and it's made me a

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much calmer person in a way but what I

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can say is that we are confronted with a

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genuine mystery with this especially

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with the owl stuff I mean the UFO thing

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on its own is a genuine mystery the Owls

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showing up at symbolic times not even

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involving UFOs other things too shamanic

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initiation is show up all the time and

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that's just understood and they're

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respected within other cultures right

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and it's it's it's you know it's not

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recognized in the West in any kind of

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meaningful way so yes I was a long

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answer to a short question so oh no I

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mean I mean these four things are you

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know it's kind of what we sort of weave

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our way through with each of your

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chapters or the each of these

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experiences is how does it transform the

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person that is always intrigued me most

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is that human aspect to all this of how

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it how it changes a person from

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everything from their mind their body

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their spirit even physiologically you

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know I mean these things they can do

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things to you that you would never

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imagine and open up that reality and the

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fact Mike I think that you don't have

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answers is good I mean you are the only

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one out there

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connecting these things I mean the

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individuals are as well but you're the

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only one writing about it and I think

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well that's I mean that's not quite true

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I mean there's in in many many books

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especially the books of Whitley Strieber

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yes he addresses he addresses these

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issues often in a paragraph here and

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there and so yes so I'm I'm I'm picking

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and choosing you know I had a I had a

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you know I had a what do you call it a

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buffet table of books and resources

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where people would mention the owl and

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what I did is you know just filled my

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plate up with a lot of other people's

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research and then did some of my and

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then really wrestled with these ideas on

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my own so yeah so I was I recognized

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this pattern within the literature

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before I ever and and other people had

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to but I kind of went all Wiggy on it

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and just kind of fell off the cliff in a

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sense as far as transformation I'll

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here's something to think about and this

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I talk about in the conclusion a little

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bit and talk about within the text and I

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even mentioned in the first book too I

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should it's funny because if it's

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there's 19 chapters right and each

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chapter is a singular story but then

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there's multiple people in some of the

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stories so it's not like I can count out

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how many people are in the book and how

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many people are healers but I'll tell

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you it's the vast majority I think

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there's only like one or two people

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within the book that wouldn't qualify as

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a healer in some sense Wow and I mean

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breaky Reiki straight up boom people you

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know like I just don't even bother I

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just write it down on the that when I

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talk to people I write it down on the on

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the page during the conversation we have

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on the phone when I talk to people who

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have had these experiences and I just

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wait for them to say it like oh by the

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way I'm a Reiki Master I'm a practicing

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Reiki Master I do energy healing if they

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don't say it like that they say you know

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my wife gets migraine headaches and I

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have the ability to touch her head and

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make her headaches go away or they have

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you know are someone straight up a nurse

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you know there's one of the stories in

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there oh it's a guy named mike is a is a

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nurse you know in a hospital

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so people are healing they are healers

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in these in this in this particularly in

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this book in the context of this book so

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people have had these long convoluted

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mixed-up swirling unending tangled up

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owl and UFO experiences are also healers

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know what that means I have no idea that

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that actually gives me like how do what

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do you say that's

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it's like an optimistic way of viewing

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it yeah okay and I and I I did not set

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out to write like a fluffy feel-good

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book and in in at some level it is sort

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of a fluffy feel-good book you know it's

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got its the the overall message is

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optimistic and I and I I wanted to be

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unattached to that but that's what

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emerged and I had to sort of pull on

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that thread and let and let the stories

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tell themselves yeah yeah let it fly man

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for sure well I would love I mean the

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fact that you got to expand on each of

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these stories I would love to run

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through some of those with you today if

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you're comfortable with that sure I know

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you haven't read the entire book so

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which ones are you I mean let's talk

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about some IVA Reds yes yes sir there

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were some that really stuck out to me um

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the first was in Chapter two and this

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was the awakening of Susan McLeod yes

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yeah most big-hearted wonderful she's

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this um she's Canadian she's got a thick

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funny Canadian accent and she talks

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really fast and she just operates from

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this heart focus Center she's one of

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those healers she does yeah she does

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hands-on healing she does yeah so yeah

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this she's exact wynt essential example

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of that healer right right and I mean

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you know going off of that again this

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isn't just about UFOs and owls that

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Susan experienced many different things

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when when the owl came into her life and

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when she realized that so I'd love to

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hear more about that if you could run

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her straight yeah so Susan Susan McLeod

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is a she lives in Canada and she this is

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going back a few years I think she's

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actually moved since this point but at

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the time she was living in a house in

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the woods of Ontario and in the back of

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the house she had a teepee it was down

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by the river and and she would she would

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use it for you know herself it was her a

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little trick you know she would perform

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a little traditional ceremonies back

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there she's part Mi'kmaq she's native of

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August first nation is what you would

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refer to it in in Canada and the Mi'kmaq

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tribe is is the tribe from the east

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coast there that she can trace some of

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her ancestry back to and she's also

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scotch-irish

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or scots-irish and and which is

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wonderful because there's another that's

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another part of our the lore where

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you know you have little people and

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myths of lots of psychics seeming to

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emerge out of though that those two

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those three lineages I guess so

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the you know the Celtic of the Gaelic in

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the in the Native American Russia a

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friend of hers had died her name Barry

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but 11 o'clock at night she went out to

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her tepee and she wanted to perform a

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ceremony so she built a fire she burned

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some sage she pounded on a drum and

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while she's in the tepee she feels

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something pressed against the fabric of

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the tepee behind her and it seems big

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she's like oh no there's a bear out

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there that was her first thought so

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she's kind of like oh so she so she

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peeks out the door and she doesn't

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really see anything so she takes a

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couple steps out the door and and she's

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confronted by five Sasquatch standing in

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the path way back to the house so she

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she had this feeling like oh like is

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this my time you know like it was kind

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of she was so she said she wasn't quite

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frightened but she was shocked let's say

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she carefully backs into the tepee now

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it really now she's freaked out when she

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got back in the tepee she got scared and

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she puts more weight on the fire and she

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pounds the drum really loud in she then

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she says okay now I'm gonna try this

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again

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try to get out and I'm gonna walk back

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up to the house and are they out there

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and she peeks out she doesn't see him

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she walks up to the house and as she's

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walking she sees that they've moved away

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and they're in the exact same pose

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they're they're posed like a family

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portrait there's two big tall Sasquatch

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in the back and three what would seem to

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be immature Sasquatch standing the

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foreground this mimics her own family

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her and her partner and the three kids

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so she runs into the house and she wants

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to tell her kids oh you see like I just

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saw a Sasquatch in the yard and I'm

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super excited and she gets to the house

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and the kids are like mom mom

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something's going wrong everything's

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going crazy and she's like what is it

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what isn't just like the kids are crying

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of freaking out and there's these black

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shadow beings that are flying around the

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house so she's she's it she's kind of

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limey not I don't think she would call

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herself a shaman but she does shaman

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like things so she gets out the sage and

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she runs through the house and she burns

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the sage and she commands these entities

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to leave the house and she she says I

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can't tell the kids about the Sasquatch

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they are already freaked out what am I

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supposed to do so she I gotta tell my

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husband he's in the in the in the garage

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which is a woodshed so she runs down and

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she tries to open the door but the

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door's locked and not only is it locked

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he's like jammed a piece of wood

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into the door so it can't open she

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pounds in the door and she's like let me

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in let me in because she wants to tell

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him he opens storage he goes what the

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hell is going on you know what were you

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doing in that teepee basically implying

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that she like and she's like what what

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he's like there are these black beings

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they are flying around the room here

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they are peeking in through the window

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there are black beings in here it's like

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what so she can't tell him either he's

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totally freaked out so she's like kind

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of like at a loss to even know what to

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do and that's there at the garage and

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finally she says I need to just take a

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step away so she steps out onto the

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driveway and prays to God she praised

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she looks up to the heavens and prays to

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God for some sort of answer some sort of

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Solace some sort of understanding and

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she's looking up this is so powerful to

536
00:20:37,450 --> 00:20:33,710
me she prays to God and she looks up and

537
00:20:39,460 --> 00:20:37,460
she sees a triangle shaped UFO form out

538
00:20:40,570 --> 00:20:39,470
of the inky blackness right all of a

539
00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:40,580
sudden these three stars are moving

540
00:20:45,100 --> 00:20:42,650
above her and there's no way to see that

541
00:20:47,530 --> 00:20:45,110
the stars through the blackness of this

542
00:20:49,870 --> 00:20:47,540
form and then it gets a little lower and

543
00:20:51,790 --> 00:20:49,880
then it's just above the trees but she

544
00:20:54,220 --> 00:20:51,800
describes it as kind of flitting in and

545
00:20:55,570 --> 00:20:54,230
out between this reality and something

546
00:20:58,870 --> 00:20:55,580
else she says it's like a like a

547
00:21:00,580 --> 00:20:58,880
hologram kind of kind of on static she

548
00:21:01,780 --> 00:21:00,590
can see right through it and so it's not

549
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:01,790
a physical craft in the way we

550
00:21:06,310 --> 00:21:03,290
understand it and it hits her like and

551
00:21:08,860 --> 00:21:06,320
hit me too you know sasquatch are not

552
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:08,870
big hairy beasts that live in the forest

553
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:11,210
there's something more shadow beings are

554
00:21:16,090 --> 00:21:14,210
not evil ghosts that live in a haunted

555
00:21:19,090 --> 00:21:16,100
house there's something more and in a

556
00:21:20,890 --> 00:21:19,100
UFO is not a big metal spaceship from

557
00:21:22,870 --> 00:21:20,900
another planet it is something more

558
00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:22,880
so she's hit with all of this stuff and

559
00:21:28,630 --> 00:21:25,760
and if we back up she began the whole

560
00:21:30,460 --> 00:21:28,640
thing with a ritual it's the question I

561
00:21:31,450 --> 00:21:30,470
asked when I when I talk to people have

562
00:21:33,310 --> 00:21:31,460
had these experiences what were you

563
00:21:34,810 --> 00:21:33,320
doing just before the event started what

564
00:21:36,250 --> 00:21:34,820
were you doing just before the and I'll

565
00:21:37,900 --> 00:21:36,260
say it for an owl to what we're doing

566
00:21:40,090 --> 00:21:37,910
before you saw the owl what were we

567
00:21:42,490 --> 00:21:40,100
doing before you saw the UFO she was

568
00:21:43,870 --> 00:21:42,500
performing a ritual a ritual connected

569
00:21:46,030 --> 00:21:43,880
to death which is the lore of the owl

570
00:21:47,770 --> 00:21:46,040
now one of the questions I asked her is

571
00:21:49,450 --> 00:21:47,780
like this how we met was through the owl

572
00:21:50,830 --> 00:21:49,460
stuff is in a way because she saw my

573
00:21:52,090 --> 00:21:50,840
Facebook page it's like oh my god the

574
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:52,100
owls I love owls

575
00:21:55,150 --> 00:21:53,810
she's got Al's all around her house and

576
00:21:57,100 --> 00:21:55,160
then though that's so that's the first

577
00:21:59,620 --> 00:21:57,110
half of her chapters telling that story

578
00:22:00,790 --> 00:21:59,630
as completely as I can and the rest of

579
00:22:03,010 --> 00:22:00,800
the chapter is

580
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:03,020
telling a bunch of her own experiences

581
00:22:08,110 --> 00:22:05,690
many of which involve owls she has an

582
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:08,120
amazing story where she was in her yard

583
00:22:13,990 --> 00:22:10,850
and she was waiting for her daughter to

584
00:22:15,430 --> 00:22:14,000
come home from town and she was in the

585
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:15,440
yard she had built up a bonfire in the

586
00:22:19,540 --> 00:22:18,170
yard and there she was like why isn't my

587
00:22:21,820 --> 00:22:19,550
daughter coming home this doesn't seem

588
00:22:24,370 --> 00:22:21,830
right in this owl flies over her head

589
00:22:25,780 --> 00:22:24,380
and it she knew right away she's her

590
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:25,790
first thought like oh my god someone's

591
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:27,890
dead she just knew it and then her

592
00:22:31,780 --> 00:22:29,690
daughter pulls in the driveway and says

593
00:22:33,700 --> 00:22:31,790
the the roads are all blocked off

594
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:33,710
there's been a terrible motorcycle

595
00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:36,650
accident later there's a man was killed

596
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:38,000
in a motorcycle accident

597
00:22:43,330 --> 00:22:40,970
the man's brother just looked around and

598
00:22:45,940 --> 00:22:43,340
tried to figure out the closest place to

599
00:22:48,580 --> 00:22:45,950
call someone and that was the gas

600
00:22:50,830 --> 00:22:48,590
station where Susan's son was working at

601
00:22:53,290 --> 00:22:50,840
the time so this guy randomly calls the

602
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:53,300
gas station and says I'm the brother of

603
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:54,770
the man who died in the motorcycle I

604
00:22:58,420 --> 00:22:56,330
just I'd want to know any details of the

605
00:23:00,010 --> 00:22:58,430
event and and he says well hear this I

606
00:23:01,540 --> 00:23:00,020
wasn't working in that night but this

607
00:23:03,820 --> 00:23:01,550
fellow is working here that night so she

608
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:03,830
gives her the house number phone rings

609
00:23:07,990 --> 00:23:05,810
Susan McLeod picks it up who saw the owl

610
00:23:10,660 --> 00:23:08,000
and they start a conversation and and

611
00:23:12,970 --> 00:23:10,670
leading up to this leading up to the

612
00:23:15,310 --> 00:23:12,980
phone call and after the death Susan had

613
00:23:17,350 --> 00:23:15,320
been hearing and she imitates it she

614
00:23:19,090 --> 00:23:17,360
goes whoo-hoo whoohoo whoohoo

615
00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:19,100
she'd been hearing this funny call in

616
00:23:23,260 --> 00:23:21,370
the woods and they were they were like

617
00:23:24,580 --> 00:23:23,270
someone's out in the woods there's like

618
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:24,590
somebody out partying in the woods it's

619
00:23:27,970 --> 00:23:26,000
like teenagers there's somebody out

620
00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:27,980
being rowdy in the woods but is this

621
00:23:33,700 --> 00:23:31,120
really happy joyous whoo whoo whoo and

622
00:23:35,020 --> 00:23:33,710
she later realized it was an owl but

623
00:23:38,620 --> 00:23:35,030
they first thought was someone out there

624
00:23:40,180 --> 00:23:38,630
having fun and partying and she says you

625
00:23:41,890 --> 00:23:40,190
know like I saw an owl fly right above

626
00:23:44,650 --> 00:23:41,900
me it was a barred owl in the guys's

627
00:23:46,750 --> 00:23:44,660
that was my brother loved owls the

628
00:23:48,700 --> 00:23:46,760
barred owl that was his favorite owl he

629
00:23:49,900 --> 00:23:48,710
loved owls and then she said and you

630
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:49,910
know what else I've been hearing is this

631
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:51,650
noise and she mimicked he just did where

632
00:23:55,120 --> 00:23:53,690
I just did whoo whoo she did it over the

633
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:55,130
phone and the guy starts crying he said

634
00:23:59,620 --> 00:23:57,650
my brother would make that noise every

635
00:24:01,720 --> 00:23:59,630
time he was at a party he would get so

636
00:24:03,730 --> 00:24:01,730
joyous and we get rowdy and he would

637
00:24:06,820 --> 00:24:03,740
make that call and that was his kind of

638
00:24:09,730 --> 00:24:06,830
that was his signature call how do you

639
00:24:11,500 --> 00:24:09,740
you know like so how do you how do you

640
00:24:13,270 --> 00:24:11,510
back engineer that yeah it's going on

641
00:24:14,380 --> 00:24:13,280
I don't know so the way you do you can't

642
00:24:16,090 --> 00:24:14,390
back engineer right so

643
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:16,100
you can only like say like wow that's a

644
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:17,450
beautiful story and there's there's

645
00:24:21,340 --> 00:24:19,250
several more in that chapter that are

646
00:24:23,050 --> 00:24:21,350
equally as powerful right there's one

647
00:24:25,090 --> 00:24:23,060
where they she had people over for

648
00:24:26,500 --> 00:24:25,100
Thanksgiving and they they went out into

649
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:26,510
the back and they were taking walk and

650
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:28,010
she's somewhat of a Shama she's very

651
00:24:31,900 --> 00:24:29,810
spiritual and they sin and both of these

652
00:24:34,270 --> 00:24:31,910
people were widows was a man and a woman

653
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:34,280
the woman's husband had died in the and

654
00:24:39,310 --> 00:24:37,250
the man's wife had died and they said

655
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:39,320
let's can we like ask for a sign you

656
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:40,250
know like well what do you think we

657
00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:42,410
should do and they said well let's let's

658
00:24:46,150 --> 00:24:44,720
just have an I'll show up they they're

659
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:46,160
both said yeah let's do that because my

660
00:24:51,550 --> 00:24:49,730
my husband loved dolls and the my twin

661
00:24:52,930 --> 00:24:51,560
the guy that guy says my wife loved

662
00:24:55,420 --> 00:24:52,940
dolls so they get down on their knees

663
00:24:58,090 --> 00:24:55,430
and pray and this owl lands on a branch

664
00:25:01,390 --> 00:24:58,100
right next to him and they take pictures

665
00:25:03,190 --> 00:25:01,400
of it they're not really that exciting

666
00:25:06,250 --> 00:25:03,200
of a picture but you know so this is

667
00:25:08,380 --> 00:25:06,260
this is normal I'm at the point now what

668
00:25:10,180 --> 00:25:08,390
these kinds of stories are real they're

669
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:10,190
normal they happen they're happening to

670
00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:10,730
real people

671
00:25:15,610 --> 00:25:13,130
I am the string of events for each of

672
00:25:17,890 --> 00:25:15,620
them it's it's almost it's overwhelming

673
00:25:20,170 --> 00:25:17,900
in the sense that like you want to make

674
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:20,180
connections but we don't truly know if

675
00:25:24,820 --> 00:25:23,210
there are any but again like it's the

676
00:25:26,710 --> 00:25:24,830
connections I think that the individual

677
00:25:28,990 --> 00:25:26,720
makes with them all Mike too and I think

678
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:29,000
that's that's what I love about what you

679
00:25:33,940 --> 00:25:30,650
do with these is you let the people tell

680
00:25:36,340 --> 00:25:33,950
their stories just allowing them like

681
00:25:38,460 --> 00:25:36,350
the space to tell it and then giving

682
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:38,470
your own comments on it I think is very

683
00:25:44,350 --> 00:25:42,050
important you know Susan stories it was

684
00:25:47,020 --> 00:25:44,360
almost too much for me to handle but

685
00:25:49,750 --> 00:25:47,030
then it just gets crazier and crazier as

686
00:25:51,940 --> 00:25:49,760
the chapters go on in terms of like how

687
00:25:54,250 --> 00:25:51,950
many different experiences these people

688
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:54,260
are having this is funny oh yeah you

689
00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:56,450
know Mary of Delicato that sounds very

690
00:26:00,760 --> 00:25:58,480
familiar yes she says she's a she's

691
00:26:02,830 --> 00:26:00,770
stealing her line basically we had this

692
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:02,840
conversation we kind of I asked her the

693
00:26:05,950 --> 00:26:04,850
question and so I'm gonna ask it myself

694
00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:05,960
and I'll give the answer that she gave

695
00:26:11,050 --> 00:26:08,320
me so how do you know this [\h__\h] is real

696
00:26:12,370 --> 00:26:11,060
you know and like how do you prove that

697
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:12,380
to someone how do you prove it how do

698
00:26:18,700 --> 00:26:14,810
you know and my answer would be look at

699
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:18,710
my email inbox yeah like nobody you like

700
00:26:21,970 --> 00:26:19,970
the CIA is not sitting in the basement

701
00:26:23,500 --> 00:26:21,980
trying to like mind-control you know

702
00:26:25,030 --> 00:26:23,510
like mess with me by making up these

703
00:26:25,900 --> 00:26:25,040
stories is too many there's not enough

704
00:26:28,300 --> 00:26:25,910
people in the basement of the Pentagon

705
00:26:30,580 --> 00:26:28,310
to flood my inbox like

706
00:26:33,730 --> 00:26:30,590
like something's going on because I mean

707
00:26:35,410 --> 00:26:33,740
like the stories are all I there they're

708
00:26:38,020 --> 00:26:35,420
not the same they're not identical but

709
00:26:40,510 --> 00:26:38,030
they have the same flavor yeah so like

710
00:26:42,220 --> 00:26:40,520
like I may not have the exact story but

711
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:42,230
I certainly get stories that feel that

712
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:45,410
have that mood that that that that eerie

713
00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:47,840
haunting mood I get those stories all

714
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:50,000
the time well another one that really

715
00:26:55,630 --> 00:26:52,490
stuck out to me Mike was in Chapter nine

716
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:55,640
this was the story of Denise Lin and the

717
00:27:00,040 --> 00:26:57,890
three white feathers would you mind

718
00:27:02,500 --> 00:27:00,050
running us through this one again

719
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:02,510
another healer yeah this is like in

720
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:04,250
funny it's Denise Lynn actually she's

721
00:27:08,890 --> 00:27:06,290
she's got some Native American heritage

722
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:08,900
and she looks like like Susan McLeod

723
00:27:14,050 --> 00:27:11,810
they look like sisters and so Denise

724
00:27:16,330 --> 00:27:14,060
Elaine is is a very popular writer an

725
00:27:19,180 --> 00:27:16,340
author and she's done a lot of books and

726
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:19,190
a lot of them she's kind of at the

727
00:27:24,070 --> 00:27:21,890
forefront of that of the a lot of books

728
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:24,080
on on animal totems and things like that

729
00:27:30,430 --> 00:27:27,410
and so Denise Lynn was shot and killed

730
00:27:33,010 --> 00:27:30,440
when she was 16 years old I think that's

731
00:27:35,050 --> 00:27:33,020
right and it's the Summer of Love 1967

732
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:35,060
so she was on a little motor scooter and

733
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:36,890
she was riding down the road and some

734
00:27:40,990 --> 00:27:38,930
guy rammed her and and she ended up in

735
00:27:42,100 --> 00:27:41,000
the ditch and he stopped his car and

736
00:27:44,500 --> 00:27:42,110
rolled down the window and pulled out a

737
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:44,510
gun and shot her and later a car came by

738
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:46,730
and found her in the ditch and this is

739
00:27:50,980 --> 00:27:48,770
in 67 so they had to someone else ran

740
00:27:52,870 --> 00:27:50,990
and called the ambulance and when they

741
00:27:55,030 --> 00:27:52,880
when she was at the hospital she died

742
00:27:58,900 --> 00:27:55,040
she went into the light in just classic

743
00:28:01,720 --> 00:27:58,910
perfect near-death experience and she

744
00:28:05,260 --> 00:28:01,730
felt she had this magical vision she was

745
00:28:09,820 --> 00:28:05,270
just flooded with love and she was awash

746
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:09,830
in this golden light and she was at this

747
00:28:13,060 --> 00:28:11,810
river this magical river and she was

748
00:28:15,070 --> 00:28:13,070
like ankle deep and she was walking

749
00:28:17,140 --> 00:28:15,080
across this crystal and magical River

750
00:28:18,790 --> 00:28:17,150
and she knew if she got to the other

751
00:28:20,980 --> 00:28:18,800
side of the river she wasn't coming back

752
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:20,990
and then all of a sudden she felt like

753
00:28:24,670 --> 00:28:22,970
this rope around her like she had she

754
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:24,680
had this vision of like being a lasso

755
00:28:28,450 --> 00:28:26,570
today she had cousins that would row in

756
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:28,460
Oklahoma that had a horses and would

757
00:28:32,290 --> 00:28:30,530
practice their lassoing and she was like

758
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:32,300
oh my god I'm lassoed what's happening

759
00:28:37,090 --> 00:28:34,970
in and she heard this voice that said

760
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:37,100
you know you are not done you need to go

761
00:28:42,990 --> 00:28:40,090
back and she's like no no

762
00:28:47,010 --> 00:28:43,000
she wakes up in her hospital bed in so

763
00:28:49,230 --> 00:28:47,020
this shows up this near-death experience

764
00:28:51,090 --> 00:28:49,240
multiple times in the book and it also

765
00:28:52,740 --> 00:28:51,100
shows up in them in the messengers - in

766
00:28:55,740 --> 00:28:52,750
the first book some people would say

767
00:28:58,470 --> 00:28:55,750
that a to be a shaman you need to have

768
00:28:58,890 --> 00:28:58,480
first died to travel to the land of the

769
00:29:00,029 --> 00:28:58,900
dead

770
00:29:01,590 --> 00:29:00,039
oftentimes shamans do that

771
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:01,600
metaphorically right they'll go through

772
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:03,130
a ritual they'll go in a cave and then

773
00:29:07,710 --> 00:29:05,770
come back out you know or they'll go

774
00:29:09,330 --> 00:29:07,720
through a ritual with drugs or ayahuasca

775
00:29:11,010 --> 00:29:09,340
or mushrooms or something like that that

776
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:11,020
will mimic death it's you know

777
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:13,330
symbolically but she really she's so

778
00:29:16,919 --> 00:29:15,490
this is and I'm fine so she's and and I

779
00:29:18,450 --> 00:29:16,929
it's funny cuz I actually called her a

780
00:29:19,889 --> 00:29:18,460
shaman in one of the rough drafts and

781
00:29:22,019 --> 00:29:19,899
she got right back to me she said I am

782
00:29:24,090 --> 00:29:22,029
NOT a shaman I do not use that name and

783
00:29:27,990 --> 00:29:24,100
I very cautiously in the chapter say she

784
00:29:28,649 --> 00:29:28,000
does do shaman like things I think

785
00:29:30,539 --> 00:29:28,659
that's fair

786
00:29:34,620 --> 00:29:30,549
but she's very clear that she's not a

787
00:29:36,750 --> 00:29:34,630
shaman so later on she um she she's with

788
00:29:37,919 --> 00:29:36,760
her husband and they're in going fishing

789
00:29:39,180 --> 00:29:37,929
and they're northern California she's

790
00:29:42,690 --> 00:29:39,190
living in San Francisco at this point

791
00:29:44,039 --> 00:29:42,700
and she they're driving home and she's

792
00:29:45,389 --> 00:29:44,049
like what's that light and the husband

793
00:29:46,620 --> 00:29:45,399
can't see it it's like I don't know I

794
00:29:47,399 --> 00:29:46,630
can't see it it's on that your side of

795
00:29:49,500 --> 00:29:47,409
the car it's like well there's this

796
00:29:51,269 --> 00:29:49,510
light wait a minute it's turned it's

797
00:29:53,010 --> 00:29:51,279
telling us to follow it he's like what

798
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:53,020
no you did it's not telling us it's just

799
00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:54,490
a lightness guy just like no no no turn

800
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:55,600
up this road right here we got to follow

801
00:29:59,190 --> 00:29:57,970
this thing and he's like they drive down

802
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:59,200
this all of a sudden they're off the

803
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:00,720
main highway on then this little tiny

804
00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:03,010
rural road and they're in the forest and

805
00:30:06,510 --> 00:30:05,049
and then he's like I'm not driving any

806
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:06,520
farther she's like we'll get out and

807
00:30:11,490 --> 00:30:08,080
look at it so they stop the car he's

808
00:30:14,279 --> 00:30:11,500
like oh oh so you see he's like oh so

809
00:30:17,010 --> 00:30:14,289
she looks at it they're standing there

810
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:17,020
together and she says she says tell us

811
00:30:21,090 --> 00:30:19,330
she says in her mind she says can you

812
00:30:23,310 --> 00:30:21,100
blink your lights and it blinks its

813
00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:23,320
lights immediately and then she says can

814
00:30:27,389 --> 00:30:24,880
you blink him again and it blinks him

815
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:27,399
again and she felt a presence enter her

816
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:30,370
mind that was like soft and kind and

817
00:30:36,990 --> 00:30:33,850
questioning and and then she had this

818
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:37,000
wave of love and homesickness and

819
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:38,770
compassion - sounds like the near-death

820
00:30:43,649 --> 00:30:40,570
experience yeah and she's got the same

821
00:30:45,630 --> 00:30:43,659
emotions so in her mind she looks at

822
00:30:47,490 --> 00:30:45,640
this flying saucer way off in the

823
00:30:49,799 --> 00:30:47,500
distance and she shouts like

824
00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:49,809
telepathically please help me be of

825
00:30:53,500 --> 00:30:52,809
service to others help me to help others

826
00:30:55,510 --> 00:30:53,510
she shall

827
00:30:58,330 --> 00:30:55,520
this over and over again and this this

828
00:30:59,650 --> 00:30:58,340
flying saucer goes and flies right up

829
00:31:02,650 --> 00:30:59,660
and hovers right above the trees right

830
00:31:04,150 --> 00:31:02,660
close to him and eventually she's like

831
00:31:05,650 --> 00:31:04,160
she's like screaming in her mind like

832
00:31:07,390 --> 00:31:05,660
you know I want to help others help me

833
00:31:09,420 --> 00:31:07,400
to help others and then a little

834
00:31:13,660 --> 00:31:09,430
airplane flies in the sky nearby and the

835
00:31:14,830 --> 00:31:13,670
thing flies off and she feels like it

836
00:31:16,330 --> 00:31:14,840
went wanted to go farther up the road

837
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:16,340
and she tells her husband let's go

838
00:31:18,850 --> 00:31:17,450
farther at the road we need to see it

839
00:31:19,150 --> 00:31:18,860
again he's like no we're getting out of

840
00:31:21,100 --> 00:31:19,160
here

841
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:21,110
and so they drive back and she kind of

842
00:31:24,250 --> 00:31:22,880
says I think that thing wanted us to

843
00:31:26,020 --> 00:31:24,260
follow it up the road farther and she

844
00:31:27,970 --> 00:31:26,030
was like I didn't want to drive up the

845
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:27,980
road and they get this huge argument the

846
00:31:31,780 --> 00:31:29,450
worst argument they've ever been in and

847
00:31:34,270 --> 00:31:31,790
the next morning their fall is forgiven

848
00:31:38,170 --> 00:31:34,280
and the husband and wife they make love

849
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:38,180
and they and she says I'm pregnant now

850
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:40,850
she had been told repeatedly by doctors

851
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:42,530
over and over and over again because of

852
00:31:47,290 --> 00:31:45,530
the severity of the gunshot wounds which

853
00:31:49,210 --> 00:31:47,300
were in her abdomen that she would never

854
00:31:51,310 --> 00:31:49,220
be able to have children and he said you

855
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:51,320
can't have children she's like I am

856
00:31:55,420 --> 00:31:53,810
pregnant I know I know I am and then

857
00:31:58,090 --> 00:31:55,430
nine months later their daughter meadow

858
00:32:00,010 --> 00:31:58,100
is born and now she is also working with

859
00:32:01,870 --> 00:32:00,020
her mother doing writing books together

860
00:32:05,410 --> 00:32:01,880
they write books together and the UFO

861
00:32:08,590 --> 00:32:05,420
literature is is awash with strange UFO

862
00:32:10,060 --> 00:32:08,600
sightings and pregnancies so here's a

863
00:32:11,290 --> 00:32:10,070
mysterious pregnancy all right so this

864
00:32:13,060 --> 00:32:11,300
is she shouldn't be able to get pregnant

865
00:32:16,270 --> 00:32:13,070
she is you know the daughter is now a

866
00:32:18,940 --> 00:32:16,280
spiritual healer and author later she

867
00:32:21,220 --> 00:32:18,950
goes into the woods to find her true

868
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:21,230
name and she's that's her intention

869
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:23,450
she's Native American she wants to find

870
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:25,610
her true name her spirit name so she

871
00:32:30,970 --> 00:32:28,730
walks into the woods and she finds this

872
00:32:32,770 --> 00:32:30,980
nice spot it's hot in the out in the

873
00:32:34,090 --> 00:32:32,780
sunshine but the woods are cool in

874
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:34,100
Northern California where she lives and

875
00:32:38,170 --> 00:32:36,530
she sits down and she meditates for a

876
00:32:40,420 --> 00:32:38,180
little bit and she says I am meditating

877
00:32:43,270 --> 00:32:40,430
to find my true name she opens her eyes

878
00:32:44,980 --> 00:32:43,280
and there's an owl on a branch right in

879
00:32:47,710 --> 00:32:44,990
front of her close enough to touch they

880
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:47,720
ruled staring at her they lock eyes and

881
00:32:51,970 --> 00:32:50,090
she says it's straight up I had a

882
00:32:53,950 --> 00:32:51,980
telepathic download and I've heard this

883
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:53,960
many times both from people who've

884
00:32:58,660 --> 00:32:56,690
locked eyes with aliens as well as

885
00:33:01,090 --> 00:32:58,670
people who have locked eyes with owls I

886
00:33:02,770 --> 00:33:01,100
had a telepathic download and the owl

887
00:33:04,270 --> 00:33:02,780
flies off and then when the owl flies

888
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:04,280
off there's like there was that there

889
00:33:07,860 --> 00:33:06,410
had been a eerie silence in the in the

890
00:33:10,020 --> 00:33:07,870
forest and all the little cricket

891
00:33:11,970 --> 00:33:10,030
noises and rustling leave noises gently

892
00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:11,980
come back after they all flies off when

893
00:33:15,750 --> 00:33:13,360
the owl flew away there were three

894
00:33:17,460 --> 00:33:15,760
little feathers in the branch where the

895
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:17,470
owl had been sitting so she picks these

896
00:33:20,010 --> 00:33:18,640
little feathers up in the old downy

897
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:20,020
white feathers and there in her hand and

898
00:33:24,750 --> 00:33:22,090
she hears a voice in her head that says

899
00:33:26,430 --> 00:33:24,760
put the feathers in your medicine bag

900
00:33:27,780 --> 00:33:26,440
she's like I have this nice medicine bag

901
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:27,790
back home I don't have it with me right

902
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:30,970
now cheers this voice that says you are

903
00:33:37,290 --> 00:33:33,760
your own medicine bag put the feathers

904
00:33:38,940 --> 00:33:37,300
in your medicine bag so she eats him she

905
00:33:40,410 --> 00:33:38,950
eats the three feathers right then in

906
00:33:42,690 --> 00:33:40,420
there boom not other questions as you

907
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:42,700
said like just it's not it's really hard

908
00:33:47,700 --> 00:33:44,170
to eat a feather just you know there

909
00:33:50,100 --> 00:33:47,710
really it's hard to swallow so now this

910
00:33:53,580 --> 00:33:50,110
is the Eucharist this is this is the

911
00:33:56,340 --> 00:33:53,590
this is the Holy Communion right she has

912
00:33:58,650 --> 00:33:56,350
been confronted with a mystical being

913
00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:58,660
right and this it's not Jesus but in

914
00:34:02,370 --> 00:34:00,640
this case it's an owl its plays out like

915
00:34:05,220 --> 00:34:02,380
a UFO sighting you know telepathic

916
00:34:07,740 --> 00:34:05,230
messages and silence and and so she took

917
00:34:09,930 --> 00:34:07,750
on the name white feather now she later

918
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:09,940
meets this fellow named credo moot wha

919
00:34:14,129 --> 00:34:11,770
credo moot why is this shaman he shows

920
00:34:16,590 --> 00:34:14,139
up he is all over the book passport to

921
00:34:18,510 --> 00:34:16,600
the cosmos that's the book where dr.

922
00:34:22,190 --> 00:34:18,520
John Mack the Harvard professor of

923
00:34:25,470 --> 00:34:22,200
psychiatry compares and contrasts UFO

924
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:25,480
abduction with the rights of shamanic

925
00:34:28,619 --> 00:34:28,090
initiation and credo moot why is a South

926
00:34:31,350 --> 00:34:28,629
African

927
00:34:33,149 --> 00:34:31,360
he's a Zulu I think Zulu shaman and um

928
00:34:34,770 --> 00:34:33,159
and I have this thing written up and and

929
00:34:37,379 --> 00:34:34,780
I was like oh my god this is so cool and

930
00:34:39,659 --> 00:34:37,389
I dunno I'm Joshua kuchen yeah yeah

931
00:34:42,510 --> 00:34:39,669
absolutely so he wrote a book on weird

932
00:34:44,100 --> 00:34:42,520
foods hey and I sent him a draft of this

933
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:44,110
it's like oh here's a great one you know

934
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:46,090
like this here's an owl that's like she

935
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:47,290
ate the feathers of an owl

936
00:34:50,100 --> 00:34:48,490
how's that for like you know eating

937
00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:50,110
weird food and then he read the whole

938
00:34:55,290 --> 00:34:52,480
chapter he said um you know credo but--

939
00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:55,300
wha ate ate an alien don't you and I'm

940
00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:58,000
like what and it's like it's like

941
00:35:01,110 --> 00:34:59,680
there's like legitimate articles where

942
00:35:02,970 --> 00:35:01,120
he liked his interviewed he's I think

943
00:35:05,700 --> 00:35:02,980
he's still alive he's ancient he must be

944
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:05,710
95 or something and he said yeah he say

945
00:35:10,050 --> 00:35:07,810
tells this story and he just tells it as

946
00:35:11,610 --> 00:35:10,060
plainly as can be and it is so far out

947
00:35:13,350 --> 00:35:11,620
can I include it in the book and and I

948
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:13,360
even have like little caveats that say

949
00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:16,330
you know even John Mac said it is hard

950
00:35:20,849 --> 00:35:18,730
to talk to certain ended you know to be

951
00:35:21,810 --> 00:35:20,859
a westerner and and to listen to the

952
00:35:24,780 --> 00:35:21,820
stories that are share

953
00:35:26,190 --> 00:35:24,790
among shamans in what we would call a

954
00:35:28,050 --> 00:35:26,200
primitive culture but you know it's kind

955
00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:28,060
of that might not be the right word but

956
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:30,400
he says it's like they say things that

957
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:32,050
like Ike it's hot hot oh you'd

958
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:34,810
fact-check this you know so said that

959
00:35:40,020 --> 00:35:36,490
someone came to him and had a little

960
00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:40,030
blob of ugly gray flesh and and him and

961
00:35:43,980 --> 00:35:42,160
several other shamans went through a

962
00:35:47,370 --> 00:35:43,990
ceremony in ate this little blob of

963
00:35:48,660 --> 00:35:47,380
flesh they they came near death once

964
00:35:50,190 --> 00:35:48,670
again the death they basically they

965
00:35:52,380 --> 00:35:50,200
could walk they were bleeding out of all

966
00:35:54,180 --> 00:35:52,390
their orifices they were completely on

967
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:54,190
the verge of death hallucinating like

968
00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:56,890
crazy day and then this then they came

969
00:36:00,600 --> 00:35:58,960
out of it and then we're basically the

970
00:36:05,340 --> 00:36:00,610
way he describes it as like an LSD trip

971
00:36:07,350 --> 00:36:05,350
for the next month non-stop and I mean

972
00:36:09,030 --> 00:36:07,360
this is ayahuasca the ayahuasca is

973
00:36:10,500 --> 00:36:09,040
referred to it I mean it's not I wast

974
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:10,510
but this is like the you know there's

975
00:36:15,810 --> 00:36:13,090
these rituals of psychedelic initiation

976
00:36:18,060 --> 00:36:15,820
mushrooms in ayahuasca and and you know

977
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:18,070
I talked about that there's something

978
00:36:22,860 --> 00:36:19,690
called eating the God and this is like

979
00:36:25,530 --> 00:36:22,870
straight up an ancient rite that seems

980
00:36:28,050 --> 00:36:25,540
to have been co-opted by that by the

981
00:36:30,020 --> 00:36:28,060
Catholic Church into or the early

982
00:36:32,790 --> 00:36:30,030
Catholic Church in and has become

983
00:36:34,740 --> 00:36:32,800
communion so like we're in the West V

984
00:36:36,180 --> 00:36:34,750
every Sunday Catholics all over the

985
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:36,190
world are you know kneeling down in

986
00:36:41,730 --> 00:36:38,560
their church and partaking in the in

987
00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:41,740
this ancient rite that has is repeating

988
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:44,320
itself within I mean I don't even know

989
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:46,930
like within the UFO lore and within the

990
00:36:51,090 --> 00:36:49,210
I mean in this case within in the story

991
00:36:53,730 --> 00:36:51,100
this there's a UFO component to it and

992
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:53,740
within the owl component it just I yes

993
00:36:58,110 --> 00:36:56,320
so they this is where to tell that I had

994
00:37:00,540 --> 00:36:58,120
no choice but to tell this story is

995
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:00,550
fully and extensively as I could

996
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:03,010
it brought its here to my eye to be

997
00:37:07,410 --> 00:37:04,930
honest Mike especially when when she

998
00:37:10,470 --> 00:37:07,420
found out she was pregnant I mean like

999
00:37:13,950 --> 00:37:10,480
what what could be you know even besides

1000
00:37:16,410 --> 00:37:13,960
the events that happened to her just the

1001
00:37:18,330 --> 00:37:16,420
idea of like wanting that to want

1002
00:37:21,060 --> 00:37:18,340
wanting to have a child your whole life

1003
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:21,070
and then finally after all of this

1004
00:37:25,530 --> 00:37:23,170
powerful transformational things in your

1005
00:37:27,420 --> 00:37:25,540
life finally getting that one thing

1006
00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:27,430
you've always wanted to be a mother it's

1007
00:37:32,100 --> 00:37:30,640
it's beautiful it really is yeah and and

1008
00:37:33,570 --> 00:37:32,110
so one of the things she had a hard time

1009
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:33,580
with credo moot wha because crater

1010
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:35,650
mutrah I looked right at her and said

1011
00:37:38,820 --> 00:37:38,170
my child have had interactions with the

1012
00:37:41,010 --> 00:37:38,830
aliens

1013
00:37:43,020 --> 00:37:41,020
do you have been taken many times and

1014
00:37:46,050 --> 00:37:43,030
she's like I have not said yes yes yes

1015
00:37:47,940 --> 00:37:46,060
you have and so I in many of these

1016
00:37:50,610 --> 00:37:47,950
stories I danced around the question

1017
00:37:52,410 --> 00:37:50,620
right because I know way to answer this

1018
00:37:53,940 --> 00:37:52,420
like you know I asked I asked Lynne

1019
00:37:55,380 --> 00:37:53,950
Denise Lynn straight up and telephone

1020
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:55,390
call like are you do you think you're a

1021
00:37:59,610 --> 00:37:57,010
abductee and she said no I don't think I

1022
00:38:02,940 --> 00:37:59,620
am but kratom moot why thinks I am and

1023
00:38:08,220 --> 00:38:02,950
then I'm like yes but you are sure

1024
00:38:10,350 --> 00:38:08,230
acting like one no I don't know when the

1025
00:38:11,610 --> 00:38:10,360
UFO flew right up to your house but I

1026
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:11,620
mean right up above the trees above your

1027
00:38:16,770 --> 00:38:13,090
car not your house above the trees near

1028
00:38:20,250 --> 00:38:16,780
her husband's car so I it's not up to me

1029
00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:20,260
to come to a conclusion but all the all

1030
00:38:24,660 --> 00:38:22,000
the puzzle pieces fit together for that

1031
00:38:26,370 --> 00:38:24,670
one the other one that really caught my

1032
00:38:29,070 --> 00:38:26,380
attention to Mike moving back to UFOs

1033
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:29,080
Fuhrman it was chapter 16 of the book

1034
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:31,930
owls and the road at night this brought

1035
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:34,810
forth a very intriguing UFO sighting

1036
00:38:41,250 --> 00:38:38,560
assured in by many many owl experiences

1037
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:41,260
heavy on the Owls of this one and that

1038
00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:42,610
came by the way of the prime witness

1039
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:45,250
Maggie and how she reacted to it all

1040
00:38:49,350 --> 00:38:47,530
that was also very interesting so I'd

1041
00:38:51,240 --> 00:38:49,360
love if you could sort of run us through

1042
00:38:53,610 --> 00:38:51,250
the string of events with Maggie this

1043
00:38:55,410 --> 00:38:53,620
one was great so Maggie that's how this

1044
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:55,420
is a Christmas of right after the book

1045
00:39:02,310 --> 00:38:57,970
came out right the book came out in 2015

1046
00:39:05,310 --> 00:39:02,320
on the 5th of December and before

1047
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:05,320
Christmas I'm getting and you might I'm

1048
00:39:10,770 --> 00:39:08,650
getting long letters front through email

1049
00:39:14,250 --> 00:39:10,780
from this woman Maggie who lives in

1050
00:39:16,380 --> 00:39:14,260
Scotland and they're long they're dense

1051
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:16,390
they're just and they're kind of frantic

1052
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:18,610
and I recognize that frantic quality and

1053
00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:19,810
she says straight up like I feel like

1054
00:39:22,740 --> 00:39:21,040
I'm going crazy and this is frantic

1055
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:22,750
stuff and all this stuff and I had this

1056
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:23,770
whole thing here and I had this whole

1057
00:39:27,930 --> 00:39:25,450
thing there and it's just like you know

1058
00:39:30,510 --> 00:39:27,940
she she's gonna buy a little owl and

1059
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:30,520
then she goes out and she's walking the

1060
00:39:33,990 --> 00:39:32,050
dog and the guy says oh there's owls

1061
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:34,000
over there and then she's you know the

1062
00:39:37,860 --> 00:39:36,490
next night she's she's on the beach with

1063
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:37,870
her husband and they somebody else says

1064
00:39:41,730 --> 00:39:39,610
oh there's Alice with babies over there

1065
00:39:43,140 --> 00:39:41,740
and and so it's just like one after

1066
00:39:44,250 --> 00:39:43,150
another after another boom boom boom

1067
00:39:44,730 --> 00:39:44,260
she's getting hit with these Allyson

1068
00:39:47,790 --> 00:39:44,740
chronicity

1069
00:39:48,670 --> 00:39:47,800
and then she's driving a friend home

1070
00:39:53,470 --> 00:39:48,680
from

1071
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:53,480
know they they had way they went to they

1072
00:39:56,170 --> 00:39:54,890
dropped them off at a restaurant her and

1073
00:39:57,430 --> 00:39:56,180
her husband dropped her their friend off

1074
00:39:59,049 --> 00:39:57,440
at a restaurant and it sounds like he

1075
00:40:00,490 --> 00:39:59,059
didn't have a car and so and then they

1076
00:40:02,380 --> 00:40:00,500
picked him up later and and they were

1077
00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:02,390
driving home and they turned this corner

1078
00:40:07,450 --> 00:40:05,119
and there's this thing hovering above

1079
00:40:11,890 --> 00:40:07,460
the street and it's funny because I

1080
00:40:14,740 --> 00:40:11,900
talked to the talk to Peter and he the

1081
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:14,750
husband and he I kind of said in one of

1082
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:16,490
the lines of the things today yes I'd

1083
00:40:19,660 --> 00:40:17,930
like you know and then Peter was shocked

1084
00:40:21,309 --> 00:40:19,670
and he said I was not shocked I was a

1085
00:40:23,230 --> 00:40:21,319
little surprised but I was not shocked

1086
00:40:25,809 --> 00:40:23,240
the only thing that you know just it was

1087
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:25,819
a startling to turn that corner and see

1088
00:40:29,529 --> 00:40:28,250
that craft and then she's trying to

1089
00:40:31,390 --> 00:40:29,539
describe this thing but every time she

1090
00:40:33,460 --> 00:40:31,400
describes it another memory enters her

1091
00:40:35,380 --> 00:40:33,470
mind and then finally she's like she

1092
00:40:37,150 --> 00:40:35,390
knows I was onboard that craft like I

1093
00:40:38,529 --> 00:40:37,160
was outside the car I was on board that

1094
00:40:41,170 --> 00:40:38,539
craft I have memories of being on board

1095
00:40:43,390 --> 00:40:41,180
the craft and it's this I tried to I say

1096
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:43,400
it early on in the chapter where there's

1097
00:40:47,260 --> 00:40:45,410
something frantic about it there's

1098
00:40:49,029 --> 00:40:47,270
something frenetic about it and at one

1099
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:49,039
point she says she found an owl feather

1100
00:40:54,069 --> 00:40:50,960
this is early on she found an olive

1101
00:40:56,289 --> 00:40:54,079
feather in the inner yard and she told

1102
00:40:59,140 --> 00:40:56,299
me over the / this this is going back

1103
00:41:01,120 --> 00:40:59,150
this is in December of 2015 right after

1104
00:41:03,309 --> 00:41:01,130
the first book came out she said like oh

1105
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:03,319
my my husband he knows a lot about all

1106
00:41:07,029 --> 00:41:04,490
feathers you know he knows the

1107
00:41:08,890 --> 00:41:07,039
significance of it and I knew as clear

1108
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:08,900
as anything I knew I just got right back

1109
00:41:12,549 --> 00:41:10,640
to her I said is your husband a shaman

1110
00:41:15,730 --> 00:41:12,559
and she said yes he is he studied with

1111
00:41:18,789 --> 00:41:15,740
his canadian natives and and he he's a

1112
00:41:19,900 --> 00:41:18,799
shaman and i'd and it's and it doesn't

1113
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:19,910
sound like it's very well accepted in

1114
00:41:23,559 --> 00:41:22,010
his community and he keeps just kind of

1115
00:41:25,029 --> 00:41:23,569
hush-hush his present community in

1116
00:41:26,289 --> 00:41:25,039
scotland and then they were they

1117
00:41:27,549 --> 00:41:26,299
couldn't figure out whether they they

1118
00:41:28,690 --> 00:41:27,559
were both sort of so make stuff that

1119
00:41:30,010 --> 00:41:28,700
didn't know they didn't understand

1120
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:30,020
whether they had dropped the person off

1121
00:41:33,549 --> 00:41:32,450
already or if the person was that they

1122
00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:33,559
were dropping off was still in the back

1123
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:34,730
seat of the car they called him up and

1124
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:36,410
said to remember like when we turned the

1125
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:37,970
corner we saw a UFO and he like roared

1126
00:41:42,190 --> 00:41:39,410
with laughter he's like we never saw a

1127
00:41:44,349 --> 00:41:42,200
UFO and and they're like who I guess he

1128
00:41:47,470 --> 00:41:44,359
didn't see it but I don't

1129
00:41:49,690 --> 00:41:47,480
and there was missing time and her kids

1130
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:49,700
started drawing pictures of aliens and

1131
00:41:54,730 --> 00:41:52,640
and writing like UFOs are real or aliens

1132
00:41:56,260 --> 00:41:54,740
are real on things and without any

1133
00:41:58,539 --> 00:41:56,270
prompting and there was just all

1134
00:42:01,599 --> 00:41:58,549
synchronicities up one side down the

1135
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:01,609
other and I felt connected in a way to

1136
00:42:04,750 --> 00:42:02,450
this story

1137
00:42:06,609 --> 00:42:04,760
I mean I felt like it was it was it was

1138
00:42:08,620 --> 00:42:06,619
so personal for me some of the things

1139
00:42:10,270 --> 00:42:08,630
that happened in that story in the in

1140
00:42:12,730 --> 00:42:10,280
the conversations going back and forth

1141
00:42:17,260 --> 00:42:12,740
across the ocean so that one that one

1142
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:17,270
was I felt so vitally dedicated to that

1143
00:42:20,140 --> 00:42:19,010
story in particular there was a point

1144
00:42:21,819 --> 00:42:20,150
when I felt that they were gonna back

1145
00:42:23,710 --> 00:42:21,829
out they were gonna say oh I don't think

1146
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:23,720
we should have the story in the book and

1147
00:42:28,839 --> 00:42:26,570
I never pressed him all I did was sent

1148
00:42:30,849 --> 00:42:28,849
them a final draft and they said yes

1149
00:42:32,829 --> 00:42:30,859
they made a couple very small changes

1150
00:42:35,950 --> 00:42:32,839
one of them was that that were where I'm

1151
00:42:37,420 --> 00:42:35,960
Peter said that he wanted the that one

1152
00:42:39,089 --> 00:42:37,430
line taken out that he was shocked or

1153
00:42:41,620 --> 00:42:39,099
that he was startled or something

1154
00:42:42,310 --> 00:42:41,630
frightened I think is what I said and

1155
00:42:44,620 --> 00:42:42,320
that was about it

1156
00:42:47,050 --> 00:42:44,630
yeah I mean in when you when you can

1157
00:42:49,540 --> 00:42:47,060
feel that connection I know I had that a

1158
00:42:53,079 --> 00:42:49,550
couple times in my own my own book where

1159
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:53,089
something just it resonated more than

1160
00:42:56,980 --> 00:42:55,760
other aspects of things that's when you

1161
00:42:59,230 --> 00:42:56,990
know you've really tripped on to

1162
00:43:01,740 --> 00:42:59,240
something when you're so deeply embedded

1163
00:43:04,630 --> 00:43:01,750
in the material that it does start to

1164
00:43:06,910 --> 00:43:04,640
open you up as the writer as well I

1165
00:43:09,460 --> 00:43:06,920
think that's awesome like and you know

1166
00:43:11,500 --> 00:43:09,470
there there's there's a trio of chapters

1167
00:43:13,510 --> 00:43:11,510
towards the end of the book that I'm

1168
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:13,520
starting to make my way through right

1169
00:43:17,980 --> 00:43:16,250
now and you categorize them as owls and

1170
00:43:20,260 --> 00:43:17,990
gratitude I thought that was really

1171
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:20,270
interesting so I'd love to know like why

1172
00:43:24,370 --> 00:43:21,650
did you decide to group these together

1173
00:43:25,540 --> 00:43:24,380
what were what was all one chapter it

1174
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:25,550
was the whole could be one chapter and I

1175
00:43:30,099 --> 00:43:26,450
was working do you know Suzanne

1176
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:30,109
Chancellor absolutely yeah yes

1177
00:43:35,710 --> 00:43:32,960
and she's like Mike this is turning into

1178
00:43:36,910 --> 00:43:35,720
its own book this is like you can't make

1179
00:43:38,140 --> 00:43:36,920
this one chapter like no it's one

1180
00:43:39,970 --> 00:43:38,150
chapter I when I make it one chapter I'm

1181
00:43:42,099 --> 00:43:39,980
like I'll make it one chapter in three

1182
00:43:44,380 --> 00:43:42,109
parts and she's like well I guess and

1183
00:43:46,540 --> 00:43:44,390
and so we eventually made it into three

1184
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:46,550
chapters and so the first this is okay

1185
00:43:49,660 --> 00:43:48,290
the first chapter there's a now um I got

1186
00:43:53,140 --> 00:43:49,670
it's like it's a long winded telling

1187
00:43:55,450 --> 00:43:53,150
this stuff so the this guy Don gets a

1188
00:43:58,089 --> 00:43:55,460
hold of me and he sends me this letter

1189
00:43:59,079 --> 00:43:58,099
and I mean you must know what I'm

1190
00:44:05,200 --> 00:43:59,089
talking about you were getting long

1191
00:44:06,910 --> 00:44:05,210
letters oh yeah yeah okay and I feel I

1192
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:06,920
mean like so that so he said I here's a

1193
00:44:14,170 --> 00:44:11,210
here's a story for you and he had lived

1194
00:44:16,250 --> 00:44:14,180
in this little town in Missouri grew up

1195
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:16,260
there and farm town

1196
00:44:19,970 --> 00:44:18,480
and he knew every he knew all the he

1197
00:44:21,470 --> 00:44:19,980
knew everything about it so he left town

1198
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:21,480
and moved to Florida as a young adult

1199
00:44:25,010 --> 00:44:22,890
and then came back I think he was in his

1200
00:44:26,330 --> 00:44:25,020
30s when he came back and and so he's

1201
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:26,340
back in his hometown he runs into his

1202
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:28,410
brother his younger brother and his

1203
00:44:33,590 --> 00:44:31,290
brothers got is like camouflage camo

1204
00:44:35,870 --> 00:44:33,600
gear it's hunting season and and his

1205
00:44:37,340 --> 00:44:35,880
brothers got you know he kind of makes

1206
00:44:38,930 --> 00:44:37,350
fun of his brother a little bit like uh

1207
00:44:40,220 --> 00:44:38,940
like you don't need all that stuff you

1208
00:44:41,870 --> 00:44:40,230
don't need the camo gear you don't need

1209
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:41,880
that dough scent to sprinkle on that you

1210
00:44:45,650 --> 00:44:43,770
know it's on that so that to attract the

1211
00:44:47,090 --> 00:44:45,660
bucks he's like well you haven't been

1212
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:47,100
around here for you for years things

1213
00:44:49,790 --> 00:44:48,810
have changed hunting's not like it used

1214
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:49,800
to be it's a little harder than used to

1215
00:44:53,180 --> 00:44:52,050
be and he said listen I'm gonna go in

1216
00:44:54,980 --> 00:44:53,190
the woods in a half-hour

1217
00:44:56,420 --> 00:44:54,990
I'm gonna come out with a deer so he

1218
00:44:58,310 --> 00:44:56,430
goes into the house and he gets his

1219
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:58,320
dad's old 3030 and walks into the woods

1220
00:45:00,740 --> 00:44:59,520
and he knew just what was gonna go he

1221
00:45:02,780 --> 00:45:00,750
said he knew a little trail that they'd

1222
00:45:05,660 --> 00:45:02,790
deer is always used so he climbs a tree

1223
00:45:07,430 --> 00:45:05,670
and he's in the tree and he does

1224
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:07,440
something this is again there's this

1225
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:09,330
thing that showed up and I am NOT like a

1226
00:45:13,700 --> 00:45:11,130
churchgoer and Christian and this

1227
00:45:18,890 --> 00:45:13,710
Christian imagery is all over this book

1228
00:45:20,510 --> 00:45:18,900
I couldn't I couldn't like I kind of

1229
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:20,520
want it part of me was like you know

1230
00:45:25,460 --> 00:45:23,280
wanted to very cautiously edit that out

1231
00:45:28,700 --> 00:45:25,470
I was like oh I can't you know like so

1232
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:28,710
he says a prayer and and he says I am

1233
00:45:34,130 --> 00:45:31,920
praying with gratitude in advance I want

1234
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:34,140
a quick painless kill and I want to feed

1235
00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:36,450
my wife and family so he's in the tree

1236
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:38,730
and then this everything gets quiet

1237
00:45:45,050 --> 00:45:43,170
I think it's eerily still very strangely

1238
00:45:47,570 --> 00:45:45,060
silent and he looks off and there's this

1239
00:45:48,740 --> 00:45:47,580
dot this white dot coming towards him

1240
00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:48,750
off in the distance

1241
00:45:52,099 --> 00:45:50,730
it's bobbing a little bit as it

1242
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:52,109
approaches him it's getting closer and

1243
00:45:57,710 --> 00:45:55,200
closer and then owls fly very slowly he

1244
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:57,720
realizes it's an owl I'll have great big

1245
00:46:01,220 --> 00:45:59,520
wings and the reason they fly so quietly

1246
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:01,230
is because they have these big wings and

1247
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:04,970
they fly slowly so very slowly this

1248
00:46:09,740 --> 00:46:07,920
snowy owl which is very unusual to see

1249
00:46:12,050 --> 00:46:09,750
in the lower latitudes around Missouri a

1250
00:46:15,230 --> 00:46:12,060
snowy owl flies past him

1251
00:46:18,020 --> 00:46:15,240
and as it flies past him he locks eyes

1252
00:46:19,970 --> 00:46:18,030
with this thing and it flies on he turns

1253
00:46:22,340 --> 00:46:19,980
his head and this thing flies down just

1254
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:22,350
above in the open area and the owl flies

1255
00:46:29,720 --> 00:46:26,490
right over a deer a doe standing

1256
00:46:30,380 --> 00:46:29,730
broadside in the meadow right below his

1257
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:30,390
tree

1258
00:46:34,310 --> 00:46:31,890
so it picks up his gun and he carefully

1259
00:46:36,620 --> 00:46:34,320
aims and he fires one shot and the deer

1260
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:36,630
runs off and he said I'm not a hunter so

1261
00:46:40,610 --> 00:46:38,490
this is I'm paraphrasing him he said any

1262
00:46:42,410 --> 00:46:40,620
hunter knows that you don't chase a deer

1263
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:42,420
into the woods cuz you don't want it to

1264
00:46:47,090 --> 00:46:44,970
run for miles he wanted to lay down and

1265
00:46:49,340 --> 00:46:47,100
die peacefully he said I may have even

1266
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:49,350
fallen asleep in the tree for a moment

1267
00:46:52,670 --> 00:46:51,330
which is a powerful I mean this is I

1268
00:46:53,780 --> 00:46:52,680
couldn't have written if I was writing

1269
00:46:56,090 --> 00:46:53,790
fiction I wouldn't have written this

1270
00:46:57,710 --> 00:46:56,100
climbs down the tree he walks into the

1271
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:57,720
woods in the direction of it he says

1272
00:47:00,890 --> 00:46:58,800
it's gotta be in here somewhere

1273
00:47:02,180 --> 00:47:00,900
I know it was a clean kill and he walks

1274
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:02,190
around he walks around there's no deer

1275
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:04,290
there's no deer there's no deer it's

1276
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:07,050
like I need help and the squirrel squish

1277
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:09,090
his squirrel runs up to him and runs

1278
00:47:11,810 --> 00:47:10,290
right up to him looks him in the eye and

1279
00:47:13,310 --> 00:47:11,820
then the squirrel turns around and runs

1280
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:13,320
off into the forest a little in a

1281
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:14,970
different spot and he follows the

1282
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:17,010
squirrel and he realizes he didn't he

1283
00:47:20,450 --> 00:47:18,930
finds the deer the deer is in a slight

1284
00:47:23,240 --> 00:47:20,460
depression the squirrel leads him to the

1285
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:23,250
the deer and as soon as he sees the deer

1286
00:47:27,980 --> 00:47:25,440
the squirrel like gives him this look

1287
00:47:29,210 --> 00:47:27,990
like okay job done takes off and he's

1288
00:47:30,500 --> 00:47:29,220
standing there couldn't see the deer

1289
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:30,510
because it was in a slight depression

1290
00:47:33,020 --> 00:47:31,680
but he had walked right up close to it

1291
00:47:35,060 --> 00:47:33,030
when he was searching before and he

1292
00:47:40,190 --> 00:47:35,070
looks up in the tree just about the deer

1293
00:47:42,380 --> 00:47:40,200
and there's the owl now I this story is

1294
00:47:44,090 --> 00:47:42,390
he told it so beautifully I basically

1295
00:47:46,910 --> 00:47:44,100
just cut and pasted his story and let

1296
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:46,920
him tell it and he had been studying

1297
00:47:50,450 --> 00:47:48,960
remote viewing at this point his life

1298
00:47:54,500 --> 00:47:50,460
and he said he was like living in this

1299
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:54,510
kind of like non-stop synchronous cloud

1300
00:48:00,980 --> 00:47:57,810
of of attachment to this to this greater

1301
00:48:03,140 --> 00:48:00,990
realm and so I discussed the within that

1302
00:48:04,850 --> 00:48:03,150
chapter I discussed the the some of the

1303
00:48:06,530 --> 00:48:04,860
issues of as far as remote viewing you

1304
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:06,540
know military remote viewing he was

1305
00:48:11,180 --> 00:48:08,850
working with Joe mcmoneagle chomik

1306
00:48:13,340 --> 00:48:11,190
monocle he met him over eight over email

1307
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:13,350
and Joe mcmoneagle was his mentor so

1308
00:48:16,460 --> 00:48:14,970
there's and just there's all this

1309
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:16,470
connection to this stuff and there's

1310
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:19,440
just it just goes on and I couldn't rain

1311
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:20,850
this way and I had to like really

1312
00:48:26,780 --> 00:48:23,130
explore the the aspects where he's doing

1313
00:48:29,210 --> 00:48:26,790
remote viewing and you know he he met

1314
00:48:30,860 --> 00:48:29,220
Jesus while remote viewing and it was

1315
00:48:33,860 --> 00:48:30,870
like the most profound spiritual thing

1316
00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:33,870
in his life you know so now okay so this

1317
00:48:37,370 --> 00:48:35,250
is yeah and he's got a story of meeting

1318
00:48:38,810 --> 00:48:37,380
the Green Man or the Green Man peeking

1319
00:48:41,090 --> 00:48:38,820
in through his window as a little boy in

1320
00:48:42,970 --> 00:48:41,100
the farm so you know medicine saw

1321
00:48:45,940 --> 00:48:42,980
Scottish grandmother was the was

1322
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:45,950
the psychic and the family and she

1323
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:47,330
explained that you know he was very

1324
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:48,770
frightened of the green Manish that the

1325
00:48:52,810 --> 00:48:51,050
green man wasn't is not here to hurt you

1326
00:48:54,940 --> 00:48:52,820
you know he's and how would you describe

1327
00:48:56,500 --> 00:48:54,950
the green men her grandmother says

1328
00:48:57,790 --> 00:48:56,510
they're on the breakfast table the night

1329
00:49:00,550 --> 00:48:57,800
he was at his grandmother's house saw

1330
00:49:02,710 --> 00:49:00,560
this green man made of leaves standing

1331
00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:02,720
out the window and freaked out screamed

1332
00:49:05,740 --> 00:49:04,640
and Grandma and Grandpa ran in the room

1333
00:49:08,410 --> 00:49:05,750
and like oh my god what's wrong what's

1334
00:49:10,510 --> 00:49:08,420
wrong and and he's and then he's

1335
00:49:12,190 --> 00:49:10,520
described it to his grandmother and she

1336
00:49:13,210 --> 00:49:12,200
knew just what he was talking about she

1337
00:49:14,890 --> 00:49:13,220
asked you know how would you describe

1338
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:14,900
him and he said something he'd said

1339
00:49:19,930 --> 00:49:17,930
rather sophisticated like he he is of

1340
00:49:22,090 --> 00:49:19,940
the forest he knew that was

1341
00:49:25,300 --> 00:49:22,100
sophisticated as even as little boy City

1342
00:49:26,650 --> 00:49:25,310
he is uh he is of the forest and a

1343
00:49:29,140 --> 00:49:26,660
little while later I get another email

1344
00:49:31,540 --> 00:49:29,150
this guy named Joe tells a story of

1345
00:49:34,770 --> 00:49:31,550
going deer hunting he's got a deer stand

1346
00:49:36,970 --> 00:49:34,780
in a tree he's walking to the tree and

1347
00:49:39,970 --> 00:49:36,980
it's nighttime and he looks up in the

1348
00:49:41,980 --> 00:49:39,980
sky and there's a UFO he pulls out his

1349
00:49:43,270 --> 00:49:41,990
camera his phone and tries to take video

1350
00:49:44,620 --> 00:49:43,280
of it's all black there's nothing to see

1351
00:49:46,060 --> 00:49:44,630
can't really take photographs of the

1352
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:46,070
nighttime sky with a camera like that

1353
00:49:52,540 --> 00:49:50,210
and he's he's he's astonished it's scary

1354
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:52,550
flies off he's doing a little voiceover

1355
00:49:57,910 --> 00:49:56,450
on the on like video and um he goes into

1356
00:49:59,859 --> 00:49:57,920
his tree stand and as soon as he gets

1357
00:50:02,170 --> 00:49:59,869
into his tree stand he feels something

1358
00:50:03,940 --> 00:50:02,180
touch his head and then he turns his

1359
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:03,950
flashlight on and there's an owl on the

1360
00:50:07,810 --> 00:50:05,690
branch right across from him high level

1361
00:50:10,420 --> 00:50:07,820
in the tree next room howl in UFO it's

1362
00:50:13,060 --> 00:50:10,430
perfect right and then there's the same

1363
00:50:15,490 --> 00:50:13,070
vibe to this he was like grateful in

1364
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:15,500
advance for the hunting and he said you

1365
00:50:20,050 --> 00:50:17,570
know there's the same it's basically

1366
00:50:22,810 --> 00:50:20,060
mimics Don's experience Joe and Don

1367
00:50:24,580 --> 00:50:22,820
those experiences are so close so I

1368
00:50:28,210 --> 00:50:24,590
spend these two chapters comparing and

1369
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:28,220
contrasting these two stories Joe the

1370
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:30,050
second fellow he's struggling with his

1371
00:50:34,900 --> 00:50:32,690
spirituality and he's basically saying

1372
00:50:37,750 --> 00:50:34,910
this is a you know this owl stuff is

1373
00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:37,760
producing synchronicities in his life he

1374
00:50:42,430 --> 00:50:40,640
woke up and there was he was reading the

1375
00:50:44,170 --> 00:50:42,440
supernatural by whit least reverent

1376
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:44,180
we're by Whitley Strieber and Jeffrey

1377
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:45,920
[\h__\h] and there's a point in that book

1378
00:50:51,700 --> 00:50:47,810
where someone says we're witness trooper

1379
00:50:54,099 --> 00:50:51,710
says that this experience is the UH NIST

1380
00:50:55,660 --> 00:50:54,109
is being is the is winking back from the

1381
00:50:56,240 --> 00:50:55,670
unknown so there's a reference to

1382
00:50:58,640 --> 00:50:56,250
winking

1383
00:51:00,740 --> 00:50:58,650
and and as soon as he reads that here's

1384
00:51:02,780 --> 00:51:00,750
on the radio that this woman is saying

1385
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:02,790
like oh this woman in tells a story

1386
00:51:07,010 --> 00:51:04,170
where she's driving with her daughter

1387
00:51:09,980 --> 00:51:07,020
and then a red cardinal lands on the

1388
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:09,990
road and the mother says oh that's

1389
00:51:13,940 --> 00:51:11,490
grandma winking back at us

1390
00:51:14,930 --> 00:51:13,950
hmm this happens at the same time he's

1391
00:51:17,090 --> 00:51:14,940
reading that story

1392
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:17,100
boom boom boom he tells his wife I had

1393
00:51:20,930 --> 00:51:18,810
this weird synchronicity about winking

1394
00:51:22,940 --> 00:51:20,940
in a red cardinal boom a red cardinal

1395
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:22,950
lands on the tree outside that the the

1396
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:25,050
house so Joe is at this point he's on

1397
00:51:29,780 --> 00:51:27,570
he's at his he's on the back porch and

1398
00:51:32,510 --> 00:51:29,790
he's this is later a little bit later

1399
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:32,520
he's like I need I need I need to pray

1400
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:34,290
I'm all mixed up like this all stuff

1401
00:51:38,810 --> 00:51:36,690
this UFO stuff it's like oppressive and

1402
00:51:40,220 --> 00:51:38,820
then he says I can't formulate my prayer

1403
00:51:41,660 --> 00:51:40,230
I can't formulate my prayer it's like

1404
00:51:42,170 --> 00:51:41,670
wait a minute I just I am I on the right

1405
00:51:44,330 --> 00:51:42,180
path

1406
00:51:47,420 --> 00:51:44,340
and right at that moment boom boom boom

1407
00:51:48,620 --> 00:51:47,430
boom five red Cardinals land in the snow

1408
00:51:52,130 --> 00:51:48,630
right in front of him he said it was

1409
00:51:54,140 --> 00:51:52,140
remarkable they're red they're bright

1410
00:51:57,230 --> 00:51:54,150
red color and the and the

1411
00:51:58,790 --> 00:51:57,240
white snow and a gray day there was no

1412
00:52:00,860 --> 00:51:58,800
color around in these bright bright red

1413
00:52:03,070 --> 00:52:00,870
and then they go boom boom boom boom

1414
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:03,080
they all one after another fly off

1415
00:52:06,850 --> 00:52:05,130
Cardinal look it up in the dictionary

1416
00:52:09,260 --> 00:52:06,860
Cardinal means something of the utmost

1417
00:52:11,090 --> 00:52:09,270
importance it's perfect I mean like I

1418
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:11,100
can't how do you make this stuff up and

1419
00:52:15,710 --> 00:52:13,370
it just so there's a third story and

1420
00:52:18,380 --> 00:52:15,720
this is the problem right yeah I had to

1421
00:52:20,590 --> 00:52:18,390
formalize this story okay so the third

1422
00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:20,600
story there's a woman named Kelly and

1423
00:52:27,290 --> 00:52:23,730
she puts a note on Facebook like you

1424
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:27,300
know like magical nature day she tells

1425
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:29,520
the story like I had been hiking the day

1426
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:31,410
before and I just wanted to see an owl

1427
00:52:34,340 --> 00:52:32,850
and I wanted to see you know this was

1428
00:52:35,570 --> 00:52:34,350
yesterday all I wanted to do was see and

1429
00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:35,580
I was hiking with my friend and I was

1430
00:52:39,830 --> 00:52:38,400
whining I want to see an owl and they

1431
00:52:41,450 --> 00:52:39,840
even heard an owl and tried to find it

1432
00:52:43,010 --> 00:52:41,460
they could and so the next day she

1433
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:43,020
didn't know she was supposed to hike she

1434
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:44,130
didn't have eyes she was all of a sudden

1435
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:45,690
it's this like oh I have some time to

1436
00:52:49,190 --> 00:52:46,890
hike I'm gonna go run him into a hike

1437
00:52:50,510 --> 00:52:49,200
she had this big thing planned and then

1438
00:52:51,590 --> 00:52:50,520
it kind of fell through and she just

1439
00:52:53,630 --> 00:52:51,600
kind of went to this little trail near

1440
00:52:56,390 --> 00:52:53,640
her house it shakes all the time and she

1441
00:52:58,490 --> 00:52:56,400
sits on a rock and she's like I am so

1442
00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:58,500
grateful for this beautiful fall day and

1443
00:53:03,230 --> 00:53:01,440
right at that moment an owl flies right

1444
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:03,240
above her head and lands on the tree

1445
00:53:08,270 --> 00:53:05,370
across her right at eye level all three

1446
00:53:10,250 --> 00:53:08,280
of these stories the owl they lock eyes

1447
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:10,260
at eye level I that's that

1448
00:53:16,250 --> 00:53:13,680
important to me and then so I explore

1449
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:16,260
her story and her memories as a child

1450
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:19,170
and missing time and UFOs and she's in

1451
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:20,370
the first book she's in the pre she's

1452
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:21,690
one of my favorite stories in the first

1453
00:53:28,730 --> 00:53:26,160
book is is Kelly's story where she is on

1454
00:53:30,410 --> 00:53:28,740
a hammock in her yard and I'll tell this

1455
00:53:31,610 --> 00:53:30,420
I'll just you just cut me off if you

1456
00:53:36,110 --> 00:53:31,620
want I feel like I'm on her I drank a

1457
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:36,120
lot of coffee so I'm I know I so Kelly's

1458
00:53:41,420 --> 00:53:39,330
this is in the first book Kelly is in

1459
00:53:44,540 --> 00:53:41,430
the hammock in her backyard and she is

1460
00:53:46,460 --> 00:53:44,550
alone and she's she's trying to find

1461
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:46,470
some sort of proof that these things are

1462
00:53:50,690 --> 00:53:49,170
real she has she has all the earmarks of

1463
00:53:52,970 --> 00:53:50,700
someone who's had direct contact but she

1464
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:52,980
has no conscious memory of it but she

1465
00:53:55,940 --> 00:53:54,330
has all kinds of things that imply it

1466
00:53:58,190 --> 00:53:55,950
and hint it and she's looking up into

1467
00:54:01,190 --> 00:53:58,200
the sky she lies there closes her eyes

1468
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:01,200
and counts down from ten and opens her

1469
00:54:04,730 --> 00:54:03,330
eyes hoping to see something she said

1470
00:54:07,820 --> 00:54:04,740
you know I just was trying it I was just

1471
00:54:09,830 --> 00:54:07,830
playing around her son who was 10 at the

1472
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:09,840
time runs up and hops in the hammock

1473
00:54:12,740 --> 00:54:10,800
with and says mom what are you doing

1474
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:12,750
like I'm playing this game I close my

1475
00:54:17,180 --> 00:54:14,850
eyes and oh oh let me do it let me do it

1476
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:17,190
and heat without any prompting they both

1477
00:54:19,790 --> 00:54:18,330
lie there they close so it's like we're

1478
00:54:22,900 --> 00:54:19,800
gonna close our eyes and the boy says

1479
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:22,910
dear God can we see a UFO

1480
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:24,690
three-two-one and they open their eyes

1481
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:27,210
and there's this crystalline sparkling

1482
00:54:32,060 --> 00:54:30,000
ship like hovering out at the edge of

1483
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:32,070
the property above the trees like far

1484
00:54:35,540 --> 00:54:33,210
away but I mean that's their line of

1485
00:54:36,710 --> 00:54:35,550
sight and she's I could she's like right

1486
00:54:38,180 --> 00:54:36,720
inside to get the binoculars so they

1487
00:54:39,380 --> 00:54:38,190
were a little boy bernabéu Bob runs to

1488
00:54:40,970 --> 00:54:39,390
the house turns around papa bump runs

1489
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:40,980
back to the hammock so they're out there

1490
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:44,610
looking at this thing in the sky in the

1491
00:54:48,170 --> 00:54:46,890
very and there her husband was very

1492
00:54:49,250 --> 00:54:48,180
skeptical of this stuff comes out with

1493
00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:49,260
so what are you doing it's like we're

1494
00:54:51,860 --> 00:54:50,250
looking at this thing here looked

1495
00:54:53,780 --> 00:54:51,870
through the binoculars and the thing is

1496
00:54:55,460 --> 00:54:53,790
gently moving so he has to walk on the

1497
00:54:56,510 --> 00:54:55,470
deck to get in there they stay in the

1498
00:55:00,140 --> 00:54:56,520
hammock and he has to walk in the deck

1499
00:55:01,790 --> 00:55:00,150
to watch this so that happened on one

1500
00:55:03,290 --> 00:55:01,800
day I'm jumping now I'm now we're going

1501
00:55:05,060 --> 00:55:03,300
to complete do another book so we're in

1502
00:55:07,370 --> 00:55:05,070
the Big Blue Book rather than the other

1503
00:55:10,250 --> 00:55:07,380
green book yeah so I got that story on

1504
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:10,260
one day the day before I had sat and

1505
00:55:14,810 --> 00:55:13,200
talked with Susan Kornacki she is very

1506
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:14,820
outspoken about her experiences she's

1507
00:55:18,740 --> 00:55:16,290
she's out she's talking about it she

1508
00:55:21,140 --> 00:55:18,750
does interviews and she contact it's

1509
00:55:23,060 --> 00:55:21,150
like I she hinted year like years before

1510
00:55:24,110 --> 00:55:23,070
that she had an owl story and I was took

1511
00:55:26,300 --> 00:55:24,120
me forever to get

1512
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:26,310
and when I finally did this is the story

1513
00:55:34,550 --> 00:55:32,610
she told she was at a Easter party and

1514
00:55:35,870 --> 00:55:34,560
that in the day couple to a couple days

1515
00:55:38,420 --> 00:55:35,880
before on Good Friday this is so

1516
00:55:40,190 --> 00:55:38,430
beautiful I'm Good Friday she she felt

1517
00:55:42,590 --> 00:55:40,200
this like surge run up and down her

1518
00:55:43,850 --> 00:55:42,600
spine and she can't even blurt it out

1519
00:55:45,590 --> 00:55:43,860
like oh my god I might being crucified

1520
00:55:47,090 --> 00:55:45,600
and I had to interrupt like wait a

1521
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:47,100
minute you said that like two days

1522
00:55:50,090 --> 00:55:48,570
before an Easter party that was like

1523
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:50,100
Friday you said that on the Friday said

1524
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:52,170
yeah it's like do you how do you know

1525
00:55:54,890 --> 00:55:53,610
what I mean you've lights the day Christ

1526
00:55:55,610 --> 00:55:54,900
was crucified on Good Friday and she

1527
00:55:57,650 --> 00:55:55,620
said I had no idea

1528
00:56:00,260 --> 00:55:57,660
I didn't know that like well yeah okay

1529
00:56:02,750 --> 00:56:00,270
so so this is like this imagery like I

1530
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:02,760
think it's my sense is that we are in

1531
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:04,770
the West we have the Bible as our

1532
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:06,720
mythology right maybe in Athens they

1533
00:56:11,180 --> 00:56:08,010
have a different set of mythology maybe

1534
00:56:13,010 --> 00:56:11,190
I'm in you know the Pueblo communities

1535
00:56:14,330 --> 00:56:13,020
of the southwest they have a different

1536
00:56:16,610 --> 00:56:14,340
set of mythology but we're stuck with

1537
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:16,620
this Bible mythology and it and it

1538
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:19,410
emerges in these stories so she's at

1539
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:20,610
this Easter party all of a sudden her

1540
00:56:23,930 --> 00:56:22,050
spine is going crazy and she's like oh

1541
00:56:26,090 --> 00:56:23,940
my god I she said if she feels like a

1542
00:56:27,830 --> 00:56:26,100
Tesla coil like exploding in her spines

1543
00:56:30,020 --> 00:56:27,840
she says this Kundalini type experience

1544
00:56:31,730 --> 00:56:30,030
and she says I gotta go and she leaves

1545
00:56:33,140 --> 00:56:31,740
her daughter with her husband he said

1546
00:56:35,690 --> 00:56:33,150
I'm going home I just I can't I gotta go

1547
00:56:37,580 --> 00:56:35,700
so she drives home and she lies in the

1548
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:37,590
hammock she's in the hammock in the

1549
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:39,210
backyard and as soon as she lies in the

1550
00:56:43,190 --> 00:56:40,650
hammock trying to chill out beautiful

1551
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:43,200
spring day Easter springtime New England

1552
00:56:46,910 --> 00:56:44,850
as soon as she lies in the hammock boom

1553
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:46,920
and Howell lands at one tree hammocks

1554
00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:48,810
tied between two trees all lands in the

1555
00:56:52,580 --> 00:56:50,730
tree behind her at her head and lands at

1556
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:52,590
the tree in front of her at her feet and

1557
00:56:55,870 --> 00:56:53,970
these I will start talking to each other

1558
00:56:58,160 --> 00:56:55,880
and she feels this electric surge

1559
00:57:00,740 --> 00:56:58,170
churning through her body I just get the

1560
00:57:02,270 --> 00:57:00,750
clear image of a of a circuit on a

1561
00:57:03,470 --> 00:57:02,280
circuit board right I just got this

1562
00:57:05,180 --> 00:57:03,480
little thing it's plugged in with two

1563
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:05,190
things in each side a little circuit is

1564
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:08,130
recharged this is it's getting zapped so

1565
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:09,690
like her batteries are being recharged

1566
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:12,330
by these negative and positive owls her

1567
00:57:16,430 --> 00:57:14,370
husband comes home again skeptical

1568
00:57:18,140 --> 00:57:16,440
husband comes home she says what do you

1569
00:57:19,370 --> 00:57:18,150
see I said well there's an owl on that

1570
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:19,380
branch and isn't all in that branch and

1571
00:57:24,170 --> 00:57:21,330
they're hooting it's like yeah okay just

1572
00:57:27,650 --> 00:57:24,180
got a wanted to make sure she said after

1573
00:57:29,450 --> 00:57:27,660
that she had been wanting to do hands-on

1574
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:29,460
healing she doesn't call it Reiki but

1575
00:57:32,750 --> 00:57:31,290
she's been doing hands-on healing and

1576
00:57:34,070 --> 00:57:32,760
right after that people just started

1577
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:34,080
calling calling or all the blue

1578
00:57:36,650 --> 00:57:35,280
so do you to be a hands-on healing cuz I

1579
00:57:37,490 --> 00:57:36,660
have this thing I need to work on and so

1580
00:57:39,500 --> 00:57:37,500
she started she

1581
00:57:41,690 --> 00:57:39,510
became a healer right after these owls

1582
00:57:44,750 --> 00:57:41,700
kind of zapped her so and then a few if

1583
00:57:46,250 --> 00:57:44,760
you have Kelly and Susan sit next to

1584
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:46,260
each other I have a photograph of them

1585
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:49,410
together it looks like sisters like I

1586
00:57:53,660 --> 00:57:51,450
almost want to say twin sisters it's not

1587
00:57:57,230 --> 00:57:53,670
quite twins but I mean they look like

1588
00:57:58,910 --> 00:57:57,240
they're it's remarkable so here's two

1589
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:58,920
stories you know basically one in a

1590
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:00,720
Monday one at a Tuesday that arrived in

1591
00:58:05,420 --> 00:58:04,170
my lap without me trying I guess I did

1592
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:05,430
try cuz I'd been trying to get ahold of

1593
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:07,370
Susan to hear her story for four years

1594
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:10,290
so okay now we're gonna go back to the

1595
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:11,490
new book so they have these three

1596
00:58:14,780 --> 00:58:13,410
stories the same thing right they didn't

1597
00:58:16,970 --> 00:58:14,790
arrive day after day after day like that

1598
00:58:19,580 --> 00:58:16,980
but these three stories paralleled each

1599
00:58:22,130 --> 00:58:19,590
other so much in one of the subtext of

1600
00:58:25,220 --> 00:58:22,140
these stories was this sense of

1601
00:58:28,430 --> 00:58:25,230
gratitude and and I that those three

1602
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:28,440
stories are them are the least UFO II if

1603
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:29,490
that makes that's a word that's not

1604
00:58:35,330 --> 00:58:32,330
really a word I have they're the most

1605
00:58:36,970 --> 00:58:35,340
powerful to me collectively three in a

1606
00:58:40,010 --> 00:58:36,980
row because there's there's like this

1607
00:58:43,460 --> 00:58:40,020
magical lesson that's in those stories

1608
00:58:45,830 --> 00:58:43,470
that emerges out of these three

1609
00:58:47,780 --> 00:58:45,840
experiences and that's the culmination

1610
00:58:49,700 --> 00:58:47,790
of the book in a way I as I said before

1611
00:58:52,970 --> 00:58:49,710
I did not try to write a touchy-feely

1612
00:58:55,490 --> 00:58:52,980
book but that's the book that emerged

1613
00:58:57,530 --> 00:58:55,500
it's it's some there's other stuff in it

1614
00:58:58,790 --> 00:58:57,540
too but it is it's a very sensitive book

1615
00:59:01,340 --> 00:58:58,800
the book was originally had a dinner of

1616
00:59:05,060 --> 00:59:01,350
original covered it was blood read was

1617
00:59:08,060 --> 00:59:05,070
so striking it was so like graphically

1618
00:59:10,970 --> 00:59:08,070
powerful and I and I kind of realized

1619
00:59:12,950 --> 00:59:10,980
like this is not a blood-red book he's a

1620
00:59:15,710 --> 00:59:12,960
soft look this is that this is not a

1621
00:59:18,250 --> 00:59:15,720
hard book this is a soft book so I

1622
00:59:23,780 --> 00:59:18,260
changed it to this kind of nighttime

1623
00:59:24,770 --> 00:59:23,790
green the cover now so it's like that's

1624
00:59:26,930 --> 00:59:24,780
kind of what I was trying to do

1625
00:59:28,820 --> 00:59:26,940
absolutely and I mean the colors just

1626
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:28,830
blend so well together on both their

1627
00:59:33,980 --> 00:59:31,200
covers but the new one like the eyes oh

1628
00:59:35,300 --> 00:59:33,990
my god just it captures you unlike

1629
00:59:37,370 --> 00:59:35,310
anything and I know that's what people

1630
00:59:40,010 --> 00:59:37,380
experience when they see the owls in

1631
00:59:42,980 --> 00:59:40,020
real life as well so you you you evoke

1632
00:59:44,900 --> 00:59:42,990
such such a powerful feeling just with a

1633
00:59:46,570 --> 00:59:44,910
cover mic and I think once you actually

1634
00:59:49,340 --> 00:59:46,580
get into the words of the book it's only

1635
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:49,350
just gets better you open the cover

1636
00:59:51,410 --> 00:59:50,610
don't judge a book by its cover

1637
00:59:54,319 --> 00:59:51,420
there are

1638
00:59:56,660 --> 00:59:54,329
yeah well moving away from the book for

1639
00:59:58,220 --> 00:59:56,670
just a sec Mike certainly we're not

1640
01:00:00,019 --> 00:59:58,230
gonna move away from Howells I still

1641
01:00:03,349 --> 01:00:00,029
find myself going back to the idea of

1642
01:00:05,390 --> 01:00:03,359
owls playing a role in paranormal and in

1643
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:05,400
a recent essay you posted on your blog

1644
01:00:09,170 --> 01:00:07,650
you even connected to the supernatural

1645
01:00:12,319 --> 01:00:09,180
and the work of someone we all know

1646
01:00:15,079 --> 01:00:12,329
Charles Ford and Kenneth Arnold now this

1647
01:00:17,059 --> 01:00:15,089
is something I had no idea about so

1648
01:00:19,519 --> 01:00:17,069
would you mind touching on this for us

1649
01:00:22,940 --> 01:00:19,529
so Kenneth Arnold father of the modern

1650
01:00:25,579 --> 01:00:22,950
UFO era he's the guy in 1947 flying in

1651
01:00:28,579 --> 01:00:25,589
his private plane above Mount Rainier in

1652
01:00:31,009 --> 01:00:28,589
Washington sees nine shiny objects

1653
01:00:33,950 --> 01:00:31,019
they're not saucer shaped but he says

1654
01:00:37,039 --> 01:00:33,960
they skipped across the sky like saucers

1655
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:37,049
on water and that's where the term

1656
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:38,970
flying saucer came from and they were

1657
01:00:41,900 --> 01:00:40,170
and that's what people started seeing

1658
01:00:43,460 --> 01:00:41,910
afterwards he did not see flying saucers

1659
01:00:46,910 --> 01:00:43,470
but that's what people reported by all

1660
01:00:49,039 --> 01:00:46,920
accounts he is a stoic trustworthy guy I

1661
01:00:51,740 --> 01:00:49,049
literally say like if you wanted to cast

1662
01:00:53,990 --> 01:00:51,750
a guy in a in a Hollywood Western who is

1663
01:00:55,789 --> 01:00:54,000
the upstanding citizen of a Western town

1664
01:00:58,160 --> 01:00:55,799
you would just you no one could be more

1665
01:00:59,809 --> 01:00:58,170
perfect than casting Kenneth Arnold you

1666
01:01:02,990 --> 01:00:59,819
know he lived on a ranch in Idaho and

1667
01:01:05,569 --> 01:01:03,000
Kenneth Arnold had a pet owl I talked to

1668
01:01:07,490 --> 01:01:05,579
his daughter Kim some years ago she had

1669
01:01:08,930 --> 01:01:07,500
mentioned this in an interview and I was

1670
01:01:10,460 --> 01:01:08,940
like I just like she kind of just

1671
01:01:11,990 --> 01:01:10,470
dismissed it just like oh we lived in a

1672
01:01:13,700 --> 01:01:12,000
great house had a great childhood he

1673
01:01:15,620 --> 01:01:13,710
grew on a farm we had horses I would

1674
01:01:17,690 --> 01:01:15,630
even had a pet owl when she said that it

1675
01:01:22,749 --> 01:01:17,700
was like what if Edith Arnold had a pet

1676
01:01:25,970 --> 01:01:22,759
owl so his life was was awash in every

1677
01:01:29,509 --> 01:01:25,980
thing that has since come to define in

1678
01:01:32,210 --> 01:01:29,519
my opinion not everything but a long

1679
01:01:34,430 --> 01:01:32,220
list of things that define the UFO

1680
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:34,440
contact experience later in his life he

1681
01:01:37,220 --> 01:01:35,730
said that he had telepathic

1682
01:01:39,349 --> 01:01:37,230
communication during that initial

1683
01:01:43,130 --> 01:01:39,359
sighting he said it was very distressing

1684
01:01:46,309 --> 01:01:43,140
to feel something invading your mind he

1685
01:01:47,839 --> 01:01:46,319
did not for obvious reasons 1947 I had

1686
01:01:49,099 --> 01:01:47,849
every right to shut up about that he

1687
01:01:52,430 --> 01:01:49,109
told about it I think in though in the

1688
01:01:55,940 --> 01:01:52,440
early 70s I think he died in 1986 or so

1689
01:01:58,430 --> 01:01:55,950
so he had telepathic communication he

1690
01:01:59,900 --> 01:01:58,440
saw orbs in his house he felt he was

1691
01:02:01,819 --> 01:01:59,910
being followed and monitored by the

1692
01:02:04,460 --> 01:02:01,829
government he had a book on his

1693
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:04,470
bookshelf that he pulled out he got

1694
01:02:08,060 --> 01:02:05,250
really frustrated

1695
01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:08,070
trying to explain how hard it is to deal

1696
01:02:13,250 --> 01:02:10,050
with mainstream UFO researchers he said

1697
01:02:15,380 --> 01:02:13,260
it was with this journalist he said you

1698
01:02:17,990 --> 01:02:15,390
want to hear pulls out the the complete

1699
01:02:20,780 --> 01:02:18,000
books of Charles for its great big thick

1700
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:20,790
fat book and he sets it down and says

1701
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:23,370
this is Charles Fork he's finding the

1702
01:02:27,620 --> 01:02:25,290
same things I'm finding now what you

1703
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:27,630
were alluding to is and I had this

1704
01:02:29,990 --> 01:02:28,770
written in the book and it didn't work

1705
01:02:31,610 --> 01:02:30,000
at all I couldn't figure out a way to

1706
01:02:33,740 --> 01:02:31,620
conclude it and I said you know damn it

1707
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:33,750
I'll just put it as a blog post so in

1708
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:35,970
the book the supernatural there was a

1709
01:02:40,970 --> 01:02:37,890
chapter written by Jeffrey [\h__\h] the

1710
01:02:44,270 --> 01:02:40,980
supernatural came out less than two

1711
01:02:47,300 --> 01:02:44,280
months after my book the messengers both

1712
01:02:49,310 --> 01:02:47,310
of them feature the eye of an owl I have

1713
01:02:51,290 --> 01:02:49,320
two eyes on my cover of the book that

1714
01:02:53,180 --> 01:02:51,300
came out in 215 Whitley Strieber and

1715
01:02:54,170 --> 01:02:53,190
jeff kraebel have one eye on their

1716
01:02:57,830 --> 01:02:54,180
hardcover book

1717
01:03:01,310 --> 01:02:57,840
so in the book jeff kraebel talks about

1718
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:01,320
all the weird stuff surrounding Kenneth

1719
01:03:04,220 --> 01:03:02,490
Arnold one of the things Kenneth Arnold

1720
01:03:07,070 --> 01:03:04,230
said was that he felt that the UFOs were

1721
01:03:09,140 --> 01:03:07,080
alive he saw one UFO which he compared

1722
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:09,150
to a jellyfish floating in the sky the

1723
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:11,490
same way a jellyfish would float in the

1724
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:13,410
ocean and he flew above it in his plane

1725
01:03:16,610 --> 01:03:14,970
he could look down through this giant

1726
01:03:18,250 --> 01:03:16,620
jellyfish there's another one that was

1727
01:03:22,070 --> 01:03:18,260
he said was solid as a chevrolet

1728
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:22,080
metallic UFO flying side-by-side with

1729
01:03:25,100 --> 01:03:24,090
this jellyfish he said he could fly

1730
01:03:27,050 --> 01:03:25,110
above it and look through the

1731
01:03:29,540 --> 01:03:27,060
translucent body of this flying

1732
01:03:31,730 --> 01:03:29,550
jellyfish and see the trees below now

1733
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:31,740
when Jeffrey cry Paul wrote about that

1734
01:03:36,650 --> 01:03:33,570
in the supernatural

1735
01:03:40,220 --> 01:03:36,660
he wrote the quote which I paraphrased

1736
01:03:42,950 --> 01:03:40,230
poorly there about the creature from the

1737
01:03:45,140 --> 01:03:42,960
ocean being seen in the skies by Kenneth

1738
01:03:46,700 --> 01:03:45,150
Arnold and in the book they also

1739
01:03:47,990 --> 01:03:46,710
Geoffrey credible they jump back and

1740
01:03:50,150 --> 01:03:48,000
forth they talk about Charles forked a

1741
01:03:52,550 --> 01:03:50,160
lot in Charles fort was a was an author

1742
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:52,560
from the nineteen if I think he between

1743
01:03:57,020 --> 01:03:54,810
the nineteen teens and the 1930s he

1744
01:03:59,000 --> 01:03:57,030
wrote five big fat dense books that are

1745
01:04:01,520 --> 01:03:59,010
almost impossible to read they're so

1746
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:01,530
dense about comparing and contrasting

1747
01:04:07,580 --> 01:04:05,490
all this outlying paranormal stuff and

1748
01:04:10,010 --> 01:04:07,590
that's where you get to term 14 or 40 in

1749
01:04:12,730 --> 01:04:10,020
and you know frogs falling from the sky

1750
01:04:16,850 --> 01:04:12,740
those kinds of stories as well as UFOs

1751
01:04:18,740 --> 01:04:16,860
so jeff kraebel reads this quote or

1752
01:04:21,140 --> 01:04:18,750
includes this quote about the

1753
01:04:23,660 --> 01:04:21,150
fish in the sky from Kenneth Arnold and

1754
01:04:26,030 --> 01:04:23,670
he said I wonder if he was reading Fort

1755
01:04:28,370 --> 01:04:26,040
question mark and I read that I was like

1756
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:28,380
I know he was reading for it and I said

1757
01:04:30,980 --> 01:04:29,730
I'm friends with Jeff grateful and I

1758
01:04:34,700 --> 01:04:30,990
sent him an email I said look at this

1759
01:04:36,860 --> 01:04:34,710
look I found I found I'm so awesome you

1760
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:36,870
know and I found a quote where he pulls

1761
01:04:40,940 --> 01:04:38,130
the book of the complete works of

1762
01:04:42,740 --> 01:04:40,950
charles fort office off his shelf and

1763
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:42,750
shows it and says this is what i'm

1764
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:44,730
finding like i'm finding the same thing

1765
01:04:49,310 --> 01:04:47,250
for it is finding so so i felt so cool

1766
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:49,320
that one of my heroes jeff kraebel

1767
01:04:54,470 --> 01:04:52,650
had asked a question sort of sort of to

1768
01:04:56,750 --> 01:04:54,480
the wind like i wonder if he was reading

1769
01:04:59,270 --> 01:04:56,760
for it it i had the answer and when I

1770
01:05:00,830 --> 01:04:59,280
did that I kind of so when we exchanged

1771
01:05:03,290 --> 01:05:00,840
those emails happened all in one day I

1772
01:05:06,590 --> 01:05:03,300
looked up on Wikipedia it was Charles

1773
01:05:08,810 --> 01:05:06,600
fort's birthday the day who he thought

1774
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:08,820
eh we exchanged these emails where I

1775
01:05:12,140 --> 01:05:10,290
said Charles fort was having this you

1776
01:05:14,690 --> 01:05:12,150
know he had s the apocryphal or the

1777
01:05:16,670 --> 01:05:14,700
question and and I had the answer and

1778
01:05:20,660 --> 01:05:16,680
and it was all happened on one day and

1779
01:05:22,550 --> 01:05:20,670
this is this is the the cloud of

1780
01:05:24,380 --> 01:05:22,560
synchronicities that sort of surrounds

1781
01:05:25,370 --> 01:05:24,390
this kind of stuff I if I don't get

1782
01:05:28,190 --> 01:05:25,380
these synchronicities I'm kind of

1783
01:05:29,780 --> 01:05:28,200
disappointed you know I kind of get it

1784
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:29,790
I'm addicted to him in a way and I and

1785
01:05:34,490 --> 01:05:32,010
I'm yeah if they Evan I feel like I'm

1786
01:05:36,830 --> 01:05:34,500
like off the path or something right

1787
01:05:39,410 --> 01:05:36,840
right and I mean the whole idea of

1788
01:05:42,290 --> 01:05:39,420
synchronicity just in general Mike like

1789
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:42,300
you know digging into that that

1790
01:05:45,980 --> 01:05:43,650
awareness that comes with

1791
01:05:48,350 --> 01:05:45,990
synchronicities and possibly that deeper

1792
01:05:50,570 --> 01:05:48,360
reality something I I really want to get

1793
01:05:53,300 --> 01:05:50,580
deep with you as we sort of wrap things

1794
01:05:55,250 --> 01:05:53,310
up here is one of my favorite

1795
01:05:58,250 --> 01:05:55,260
researchers out there he had this to say

1796
01:06:00,500 --> 01:05:58,260
about your work and I love to just quote

1797
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:00,510
this this is what Nick Redfern said I

1798
01:06:05,090 --> 01:06:02,730
get a strong sense that Michael Ellen

1799
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:05,100
was guided to write this by the UFO

1800
01:06:09,470 --> 01:06:07,170
intelligences and I think the reader

1801
01:06:12,020 --> 01:06:09,480
will get that this is the first time

1802
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:12,030
I've seen this level of both a book and

1803
01:06:17,300 --> 01:06:14,970
its author being inextricably linked to

1804
01:06:19,580 --> 01:06:17,310
the phenomenon itself since streamer and

1805
01:06:22,070 --> 01:06:19,590
communion I believe the phenomenon

1806
01:06:24,410 --> 01:06:22,080
intended it to be written published and

1807
01:06:27,860 --> 01:06:24,420
read on a large scale I think Mike's

1808
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:27,870
book is another example of this Wow

1809
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:29,610
so no while he was talking about your

1810
01:06:32,930 --> 01:06:31,170
first book like the fact that Whitley

1811
01:06:37,010 --> 01:06:32,940
wrote the foreword for this

1812
01:06:39,230 --> 01:06:37,020
companion definitely it builds for the

1813
01:06:40,849 --> 01:06:39,240
case for all of this so what do you

1814
01:06:43,970 --> 01:06:40,859
think do you feel that there's some sort

1815
01:06:45,890 --> 01:06:43,980
of intelligence or something kind of

1816
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:45,900
guiding your work as you're going along

1817
01:06:50,180 --> 01:06:48,450
with this idea of a deeper reality what

1818
01:06:52,490 --> 01:06:50,190
what do you think of that all and what

1819
01:06:54,710 --> 01:06:52,500
those people said about you we have the

1820
01:06:56,359 --> 01:06:54,720
question you asked was do I feel he's a

1821
01:06:59,750 --> 01:06:56,369
guiding intelligence leading me and the

1822
01:07:01,550 --> 01:06:59,760
answer is unquestionably yes so I mean I

1823
01:07:02,900 --> 01:07:01,560
have no proof right when I read that so

1824
01:07:05,180 --> 01:07:02,910
that actually came in a private letter

1825
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:05,190
to me and I and I and I kind of said

1826
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:07,410
Nick and I had to change like two words

1827
01:07:11,450 --> 01:07:09,450
because he was saying you wasn't saying

1828
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:11,460
my Cleland is in there strictly linked

1829
01:07:15,859 --> 01:07:13,890
he was saying you it was a letter to me

1830
01:07:18,109 --> 01:07:15,869
it was a direct so was it so what

1831
01:07:20,690 --> 01:07:18,119
happened was I gave Nick one of the

1832
01:07:22,069 --> 01:07:20,700
freedom I gave him the initial draft of

1833
01:07:23,780 --> 01:07:22,079
the book and I said can you read this I

1834
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:23,790
just feel like I don't have a I can't

1835
01:07:29,599 --> 01:07:26,010
figure out which way is up and and and

1836
01:07:31,339 --> 01:07:29,609
and he gave me some totally pragmatic

1837
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:31,349
stuff he said at the end of this chapter

1838
01:07:35,900 --> 01:07:34,290
here you need to kind of write a little

1839
01:07:39,559 --> 01:07:35,910
summation and that leads into the next

1840
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one and then here you'd you define

1841
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:41,040
something but you don't define it

1842
01:07:45,020 --> 01:07:42,450
thoroughly enough you got to fill that

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01:07:47,270 --> 01:07:45,030
out so it's just a handful of very

1844
01:07:49,819 --> 01:07:47,280
straight pragmatic editorial things that

1845
01:07:50,780 --> 01:07:49,829
I needed and then at the end he kind of

1846
01:07:53,839 --> 01:07:50,790
slips that in there

1847
01:07:55,730 --> 01:07:53,849
you know and we and it was it was like

1848
01:07:57,559 --> 01:07:55,740
you Mike you are inextricably linked to

1849
01:08:00,589 --> 01:07:57,569
this phenomenon you this book your book

1850
01:08:03,140 --> 01:08:00,599
well well is is guided by some grander

1851
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:03,150
intelligence two things happened like I

1852
01:08:06,530 --> 01:08:05,010
was kind of embarrassed in a way like

1853
01:08:08,930 --> 01:08:06,540
I'm from the Midwest I don't take

1854
01:08:12,740 --> 01:08:08,940
compliments very well you know but I

1855
01:08:14,630 --> 01:08:12,750
also recognized I understood it and I

1856
01:08:18,289 --> 01:08:14,640
felt it in my bones and I and I felt

1857
01:08:19,939 --> 01:08:18,299
that he was correct and I had felt that

1858
01:08:21,050 --> 01:08:19,949
during the writing I cannot tell you how

1859
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:21,060
many times I would be working on

1860
01:08:23,570 --> 01:08:22,170
something like oh this chapter isn't

1861
01:08:24,950 --> 01:08:23,580
working I just need some little thing I

1862
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:24,960
just need to plug in one little story

1863
01:08:29,510 --> 01:08:27,449
that'll little coalesce that'll congeal

1864
01:08:30,890 --> 01:08:29,520
these disparate thoughts and being the

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01:08:32,780 --> 01:08:30,900
email rings I open the email it's like

1866
01:08:34,309 --> 01:08:32,790
oh here's the perfect story let me just

1867
01:08:35,900 --> 01:08:34,319
drop that right in it's a little more

1868
01:08:38,059 --> 01:08:35,910
complicated than that but that first

1869
01:08:39,499 --> 01:08:38,069
book less so the second book the second

1870
01:08:41,180 --> 01:08:39,509
book was hard work this first book was

1871
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:41,190
also hard work but it was written in

1872
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:43,890
this synchronistic cloud where it just

1873
01:08:48,170 --> 01:08:46,290
felt like like it was on

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01:08:50,270 --> 01:08:48,180
folding like every time I took a step

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01:08:52,550 --> 01:08:50,280
forward the path would just would just

1876
01:08:54,140 --> 01:08:52,560
lay itself out for me again it was hard

1877
01:08:55,579 --> 01:08:54,150
work and I you know it would be

1878
01:08:57,110 --> 01:08:55,589
incorrect to say that first book is

1879
01:08:59,360 --> 01:08:57,120
channeled it ain't wasn't channeled

1880
01:09:00,530 --> 01:08:59,370
there was but it was I'll got him so

1881
01:09:02,390 --> 01:09:00,540
cautious saying this I can only say I

1882
01:09:07,579 --> 01:09:02,400
got a click of all the caveats I sense

1883
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:07,589
or I feel or perhaps I sense that I was

1884
01:09:14,090 --> 01:09:10,410
guided in some way by some intelligence

1885
01:09:15,770 --> 01:09:14,100
beyond myself to do that work and the

1886
01:09:17,900 --> 01:09:15,780
and the owls themselves I mean how the

1887
01:09:19,490 --> 01:09:17,910
owls showed up in my life initially so

1888
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:19,500
you know basically said like I didn't

1889
01:09:23,329 --> 01:09:20,970
pick the owls he always picked me right

1890
01:09:26,390 --> 01:09:23,339
right yeah I mean that that's a good way

1891
01:09:27,829 --> 01:09:26,400
of looking at it I mean while we want to

1892
01:09:30,590 --> 01:09:27,839
have this idea that like we're in

1893
01:09:32,450 --> 01:09:30,600
control of everything you know there

1894
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:32,460
there seem to be greater powers at work

1895
01:09:37,099 --> 01:09:35,370
and I think by just sort of accepting

1896
01:09:38,990 --> 01:09:37,109
that idea and letting it sort of pull

1897
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:39,000
you like that's gonna be a much more

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01:09:41,990 --> 01:09:40,770
rewarding journey no matter where it

1899
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:42,000
takes you and no matter what kind of

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01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:43,890
answers you find at least in my opinion

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01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:45,690
well that's the thing I mean that you

1902
01:09:49,849 --> 01:09:47,250
know there's a researcher named Alan

1903
01:09:52,490 --> 01:09:49,859
Greene and and he he said synchronicity

1904
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:52,500
is like like like a compass on the open

1905
01:09:56,660 --> 01:09:54,930
ocean on a cloudy day right so you're in

1906
01:09:58,520 --> 01:09:56,670
a boat the open ocean and a cloudy day

1907
01:10:01,280 --> 01:09:58,530
you know and how do you how do you

1908
01:10:03,380 --> 01:10:01,290
travel you need a compass alright so

1909
01:10:05,630 --> 01:10:03,390
that's how I've been trying to lead my

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01:10:08,660 --> 01:10:05,640
life synchronicities sometimes the

1911
01:10:11,690 --> 01:10:08,670
lesson is very clear the message is very

1912
01:10:15,500 --> 01:10:11,700
clear and I've been trying to follow

1913
01:10:18,380 --> 01:10:15,510
those messages follow those clues I love

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01:10:20,690 --> 01:10:18,390
a man well I mean we clearly am gonna

1915
01:10:23,030 --> 01:10:20,700
keep following as well because you've

1916
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:23,040
tapped into something that so many of us

1917
01:10:25,850 --> 01:10:24,810
we kind of had an inkling of like you

1918
01:10:28,070 --> 01:10:25,860
mentioned earlier there's been

1919
01:10:30,110 --> 01:10:28,080
references to the owl and UFO connection

1920
01:10:31,670 --> 01:10:30,120
throughout the literature throughout

1921
01:10:33,230 --> 01:10:31,680
television throughout pop culture

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01:10:35,870 --> 01:10:33,240
everything everything you can think of

1923
01:10:39,020 --> 01:10:35,880
philosophy or religion blah blah going

1924
01:10:41,210 --> 01:10:39,030
on and on but like the idea that we can

1925
01:10:44,150 --> 01:10:41,220
now turn to something to really find

1926
01:10:45,740 --> 01:10:44,160
those human experiences I think is vital

1927
01:10:47,990 --> 01:10:45,750
and I know you're not done I know

1928
01:10:49,970 --> 01:10:48,000
there's probably more yet to come

1929
01:10:52,220 --> 01:10:49,980
well I'm in no hurry to write another

1930
01:10:55,490 --> 01:10:52,230
book I think it's the total it up to it

1931
01:10:57,680 --> 01:10:55,500
comes out to about almost I think it's

1932
01:10:58,620 --> 01:10:57,690
like six hundred and seventy pages

1933
01:11:01,290 --> 01:10:58,630
that's

1934
01:11:04,530 --> 01:11:01,300
a lot of pages on owls and UFOs I was

1935
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:04,540
gonna ask if there was any you know that

1936
01:11:08,790 --> 01:11:06,489
that always bothers me when you know you

1937
01:11:11,580 --> 01:11:08,800
spent two years of your life writing a

1938
01:11:13,050 --> 01:11:11,590
book and so it's like cool what's next

1939
01:11:14,370 --> 01:11:13,060
well I do have some other things planned

1940
01:11:17,070 --> 01:11:14,380
I was thinking about doing I'm trying to

1941
01:11:19,229 --> 01:11:17,080
do a book on the audiobook version of

1942
01:11:21,330 --> 01:11:19,239
the stories from the messengers it's

1943
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:21,340
ungodly slow but and then I'm also

1944
01:11:24,689 --> 01:11:22,690
thinking of doing a little fiction work

1945
01:11:26,910 --> 01:11:24,699
or something like that but um I'm not

1946
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:26,920
backing out of the research right I mean

1947
01:11:31,260 --> 01:11:30,130
I I don't know what else if I could say

1948
01:11:32,820 --> 01:11:31,270
about owls I just worry I would just

1949
01:11:34,740 --> 01:11:32,830
repeat myself you know I'm do a blog

1950
01:11:37,229 --> 01:11:34,750
post now and again and yeah and such

1951
01:11:39,090 --> 01:11:37,239
snow well there is you know before we

1952
01:11:42,030 --> 01:11:39,100
leave him like there's one more aspect

1953
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:42,040
to all this that you brought up that you

1954
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:45,250
know people like Jeffrey crebbil or you

1955
01:11:49,169 --> 01:11:47,530
know Jacques of LA a lot of these people

1956
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:49,179
have sort of tapped into this idea and

1957
01:11:54,030 --> 01:11:51,370
you do as well is mythology and folklore

1958
01:11:57,450 --> 01:11:54,040
and you write about this several times

1959
01:12:00,090 --> 01:11:57,460
do you believe that these are I guess

1960
01:12:03,270 --> 01:12:00,100
sort of like a tool to help connect us

1961
01:12:05,010 --> 01:12:03,280
to the owl and UFO experience so so when

1962
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:05,020
I was working on the book right so but

1963
01:12:08,459 --> 01:12:06,730
the first book especially you know I was

1964
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:08,469
people at said oh hey Mike what are you

1965
01:12:10,709 --> 01:12:09,610
what are you doing these days and I'm

1966
01:12:11,879 --> 01:12:10,719
like well I'm working on a book oh

1967
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:11,889
that's interesting what's the book about

1968
01:12:14,610 --> 01:12:13,210
and I would have to sighs a person up

1969
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:14,620
like I'd have to like oh my god am I

1970
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:17,170
gonna drop the UFO bomb and I'd kind of

1971
01:12:20,610 --> 01:12:18,850
every once in a while like I ain't going

1972
01:12:23,580 --> 01:12:20,620
there with this guy I'd say it's a book

1973
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:23,590
on mythology it's about owls and and

1974
01:12:26,580 --> 01:12:25,210
they're like that's interesting and then

1975
01:12:28,260 --> 01:12:26,590
I could talk easily we could have a

1976
01:12:29,820 --> 01:12:28,270
perfect little you know dinner table

1977
01:12:32,129 --> 01:12:29,830
conversation about mythology and owls

1978
01:12:33,390 --> 01:12:32,139
and I could go on and on and on and I

1979
01:12:34,649 --> 01:12:33,400
would never have to bring up the UFO

1980
01:12:36,450 --> 01:12:34,659
thing because there's plenty without

1981
01:12:39,260 --> 01:12:36,460
bringing up the UFO thing mythology and

1982
01:12:41,570 --> 01:12:39,270
Isles and my sense is that the same

1983
01:12:44,580 --> 01:12:41,580
archetypal powers that have been

1984
01:12:48,870 --> 01:12:44,590
interacting in shaping mankind since the

1985
01:12:50,220 --> 01:12:48,880
very beginning are still there they're

1986
01:12:52,169 --> 01:12:50,230
there they're there right it's my email

1987
01:12:53,790 --> 01:12:52,179
inbox I mean I get these mythic stories

1988
01:12:56,100 --> 01:12:53,800
day after day after day the stories I

1989
01:12:57,390 --> 01:12:56,110
told at the end thereof of owls and

1990
01:12:58,649 --> 01:12:57,400
gratitude that you know people seeing

1991
01:13:00,959 --> 01:12:58,659
owls while hunting and while in the

1992
01:13:02,459 --> 01:13:00,969
woods and there's these are kind of

1993
01:13:04,979 --> 01:13:02,469
bland stories in the sense that there's

1994
01:13:07,830 --> 01:13:04,989
there's but it's but to me they're very

1995
01:13:11,370 --> 01:13:07,840
powerful and I tried to address that

1996
01:13:12,390 --> 01:13:11,380
these archetypal experiences these

1997
01:13:16,169 --> 01:13:12,400
mythic

1998
01:13:20,010 --> 01:13:16,179
experiences are still part of our human

1999
01:13:22,350 --> 01:13:20,020
drama now we had a way to formalize them

2000
01:13:24,500 --> 01:13:22,360
back around the campfire when we were

2001
01:13:28,350 --> 01:13:24,510
you know in a primitive village

2002
01:13:30,930 --> 01:13:28,360
presently in our fast-paced western

2003
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:30,940
society we mythology look up mythology

2004
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:33,130
in the in the dictionary it says fake it

2005
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:34,449
says false it says like a fairy tale

2006
01:13:38,220 --> 01:13:36,250
that's that's our definition of

2007
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:38,230
mythology in the dictionary something

2008
01:13:43,260 --> 01:13:41,050
that is false and I am saying no

2009
01:13:45,990 --> 01:13:43,270
mythology is something is alive and

2010
01:13:48,630 --> 01:13:46,000
vital and plays an important role not

2011
01:13:50,189 --> 01:13:48,640
only to ancient man and not only in the

2012
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:50,199
dusty books on the shelf in the

2013
01:13:56,220 --> 01:13:52,449
philosophy department of some college

2014
01:13:59,850 --> 01:13:56,230
they are playing a role right now real

2015
01:14:01,350 --> 01:13:59,860
time with with us them there the book it

2016
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:01,360
is not by accident that the book is

2017
01:14:05,729 --> 01:14:03,130
called the messengers there are messages

2018
01:14:07,979 --> 01:14:05,739
being delivered they are illusive they

2019
01:14:11,310 --> 01:14:07,989
might not be clear but I am convinced

2020
01:14:14,729 --> 01:14:11,320
that the the symbolic appearance of the

2021
01:14:18,090 --> 01:14:14,739
owl is a is a message and that we have

2022
01:14:18,419 --> 01:14:18,100
to listen absolutely I could not agree

2023
01:14:20,669 --> 01:14:18,429
more

2024
01:14:22,970 --> 01:14:20,679
so where can we find stories from the

2025
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:22,980
messengers and all of your other work

2026
01:14:28,169 --> 01:14:25,570
you can go to my you can just google my

2027
01:14:29,490 --> 01:14:28,179
name on my Cleland owls and my blog site

2028
01:14:31,410 --> 01:14:29,500
I'll come right up and it's all over the

2029
01:14:36,530 --> 01:14:31,420
blog I'm not being shameless I'm trying

2030
01:14:38,580 --> 01:14:36,540
to promote the hell out of this thing so

2031
01:14:41,250 --> 01:14:38,590
yeah you put everything on hold for two

2032
01:14:42,899 --> 01:14:41,260
years and do this and so yes and go to

2033
01:14:44,729 --> 01:14:42,909
Amazon you can look up the messengers

2034
01:14:46,530 --> 01:14:44,739
you can and there's it's interesting I

2035
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:46,540
could go on and on about this like who's

2036
01:14:51,540 --> 01:14:47,890
gonna go like you don't need to hear

2037
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:51,550
more synchronicities but just look up my

2038
01:14:57,209 --> 01:14:54,489
name my website is hidden experience dot

2039
01:14:59,669 --> 01:14:57,219
blog spot.com once again just type in my

2040
01:15:02,130 --> 01:14:59,679
name all's it comes right up you type

2041
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:02,140
UFO owls it comes right up yep yep yeah

2042
01:15:07,110 --> 01:15:03,690
I've done it many a time it's amazing

2043
01:15:09,510 --> 01:15:07,120
it's all there in front of you I love it

2044
01:15:12,090 --> 01:15:09,520
Oh Mike your work it never lets up man

2045
01:15:13,890 --> 01:15:12,100
and it is both it's inspirational but

2046
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:13,900
more importantly at least to me and I

2047
01:15:18,419 --> 01:15:16,330
know hundreds if not thousands of other

2048
01:15:21,660 --> 01:15:18,429
people your work is integral to trying

2049
01:15:24,300 --> 01:15:21,670
to sort of I guess dismantle these

2050
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:24,310
mysteries and repaired them in some way

2051
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:26,530
shape or form and I know it changes from

2052
01:15:31,260 --> 01:15:28,330
person-to-person and the owl it

2053
01:15:33,150 --> 01:15:31,270
continues to sort of weave in and out of

2054
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:33,160
these phenomena you know with that

2055
01:15:38,070 --> 01:15:35,170
message that you just talked about and

2056
01:15:40,620 --> 01:15:38,080
we have to keep listening and I hope

2057
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:40,630
that everyone who listened to this will

2058
01:15:45,510 --> 01:15:43,290
go grab the book I'm going to furiously

2059
01:15:47,130 --> 01:15:45,520
digest the rest of it after we get off

2060
01:15:49,050 --> 01:15:47,140
here I'm interested in the Cardinal

2061
01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:49,060
aspect we'll talk about that after this

2062
01:15:53,330 --> 01:15:51,250
but the whole Cardinal aspect plays a

2063
01:15:56,130 --> 01:15:53,340
very pivotal part in my life as well so

2064
01:15:57,690 --> 01:15:56,140
that might have to wait for a an extra

2065
01:16:00,090 --> 01:15:57,700
bonus episode of somewhere in the skies

2066
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:00,100
but I do want to thank you so so much

2067
01:16:02,460 --> 01:16:02,050
for coming on today man it was my

2068
01:16:04,050 --> 01:16:02,470
pleasure

2069
01:16:05,970 --> 01:16:04,060
alright that's it for this week's show

2070
01:16:08,610 --> 01:16:05,980
again Mike's books can be found on

2071
01:16:11,990 --> 01:16:08,620
Amazon and all of his work can be found

2072
01:16:15,180 --> 01:16:12,000
at hidden experience dot blog spot.com

2073
01:16:18,090 --> 01:16:15,190
we can be found on Twitter at summer

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